Intentional

[jallen]

techs can only be not contact fouls and USP must involved contact. by the way I did score 94 on the very tricky FIBA exam this year, so I usually get the rules right

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jallen

techs can only be not contact fouls and USP must involved contact. by the way I did score 94 on the very tricky FIBA exam this year, so I usually get the rules right

A. most of us do not use FIBA
B. in NFHS what you're saying is false of technical fouls (4-19-5).
C. I don't know what USP means other than United States Pharmacopeia.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A. most of us do not use FIBA
- True, the majority of posters here are in the USA.
B. in NFHS what you're saying is false of technical fouls (4-19-5).
- Technical Fouls under FIBA rules are always non-contact in nature.
- Dead ball contact that cannot be ignored under FIBA rules should be assessed as an Unsportsmanlike Foul.
C. I don't know what USP means other than United States Pharmacopeia.
- USP = Unsportsmanlike Foul (same penalty as the NF/NCAA Intentional Foul. 2 Shots + Ball) FIBA puts the ball at the divison line for any penalty involving FTs + Possesion

posted for clarification...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta

posted for clarification...

- USP = Unsportsmanlike Foul (same penalty as the NF/NCAA Intentional Foul. 2 Shots + Ball at the division line)

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

(Sounds of rookie running for rules book)
2 FT plus throw in (10-6 Penalties 4) at designated spot 2-2-2 (officials Manual)

[jallen]

I did not mean to confuse anyone but I wanted just to use a short form
unsportsman like personal foul which can occur during a deal ball and can be canceled if there is an offsetting USP or T foul called. this is different from other sets of rules.
I have refereed many times in the states over the last 15 years and have adapted well to their rules when needed to. Basically refereeing is refereeing

[jallen]

I like this discussion between different sets of rules, good to hear
In FIBA, contact during a dead ball is a personal foul. it can be deemed an unsportsmanlike foul as there was no attempt to play the ball. but under no circumstances can it be a technical if contact occured

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

Well, he did say that it was for "dead ball contact that cannot be ignored", so, unless he's talking about a foul on or by an airborne shooter, it is an intentional technical foul, and his penalty is correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well, he did say that it was for "dead ball contact that cannot be ignored", so, unless he's talking about a foul on or by an airborne shooter, it is an intentional technical foul, and his penalty is correct.

Fair enough. But the penalty he provided is the penalty for any technical foul, and only some intentional fouls (namely those that are also T's), and thus more correctly described as the penalty for technical fouls.