Those crazy Jump Ball rules

[Adam]

I've been sitting on this one for a while, but there's nothing like an IW to start the game.
JVB, jump ball, I'm U (two whistles only). R tosses the ball up, both jumpers miss on the first swipe and land before V1 taps it weakly. Ball bounces on the floor, and H1 grabs it.
I blow my whistle and immediately realize it's legal. Go with the IW and give H the ball and B the arrow. Doh!
V coach, "Isn't that a violation for catching it?"
Me, "No, it bounced first. It's legal."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Isn't that a violation for catching it?"

Catholic middle school game this past weekend. Blue jumper taps ball, and then catches it with two hands before the ball hits any of the nonjumpers, or the floor. I'm the nontossing official and blow my whistle, and announce, "White ball". My partner is getting ready to administer the throwin at the table, when I decide to get together with him to have a quick "pow wow" to set the alternating possession arrow. Now I remember years ago that the violating team lost the ball, for the violation, and also lost the arrow, because the violating team did have a possession, even though it was illegal possession. But I thought that got changed a few years ago. We discussed it for more than a few seconds, and decided to give Blue the arrow, not because we were 100% sure of the rule, but because we thought it was the fair thing to do.

As I went back to my lead position I looked at the parents with a "confused" look on my face. One parent said to me, "Don't worry about it, nobody knows the rule anyway." To which I replied, "That's OK for you guys, but at least two people in this gym should know the rule, that's what we get paid for".

[representing]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Catholic middle school game this past weekend. Blue jumper taps ball, and then catches it with two hands before the ball hits any of the nonjumpers, or the floor. I'm the nontossing official and blow my whistle, and announce, "White ball". My partner is getting ready to administer the throwin at the table, when I decide to get together with him to have a quick "pow wow" to set the alternating possession arrow. Now I remember years ago that the violating team lost the ball, for the violation, and also lost the arrow, because the violating team did have a possession, even though it was illegal possession. But I thought that got changed a few years ago. We discussed it for more than a few seconds, and decided to give Blue the arrow, not because we were 100% sure of the rule, but because we thought it was the fair thing to do.

As I went back to my lead position I looked at the parents with a "confused" look on my face. One parent said to me, "Don't worry about it, nobody knows the rule anyway." To which I replied, "That's OK for you guys, but at least two people in this gym should know the rule, that's what we get paid for".

That was correct. In Rule 4.3.3(a) where it says:

Alternating-possession control is established and the initial directon of the possession arrow is set toward the opponent's basket when: ...the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower after: ...A violation during or following the jump before a player secures control.

The violation would be to the next person to touch the ball and obtain possession. So, you give the ball to the other team for a throw-in, and set the arrow in the opposite direction from which way the team throwing the ball in is going.

[Adam]

Yep, and he's also correct that this is a relatively recent change.

[grunewar]

JVB game - two man. I'm U. R tosses ball, good toss, A1 and B1 go up for it and flail around and nothing.......ball comes back to the floor. Me - TWEET! "Let's do it again."

I looked up at the clock - no time had come off. Kudos to the scoreboard gal!

[cdoug]

Originally Posted by grunewar

JVB game - two man. I'm U. R tosses ball, good toss, A1 and B1 go up for it and flail around and nothing.......ball comes back to the floor. Me - TWEET! "Let's do it again."

I looked up at the clock - no time had come off. Kudos to the scoreboard gal!

Kind of along the same line...was having a discussion the other night and wanted to make sure I got it right. For a jump ball to start the game the clock is started when the ball is touched by one of the jumpers - NOT one of the other 8 players on the floor, right? I think it's covered under 5-9-2. I guess I lose if that's not right.

[Adam]

You win.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've been sitting on this one for a while, but there's nothing like an IW to start the game.
JVB, jump ball, I'm U (two whistles only). R tosses the ball up, both jumpers miss on the first swipe and land before V1 taps it weakly. Ball bounces on the floor, and H1 grabs it.
I blow my whistle and immediately realize it's legal. Go with the IW and give H the ball and B the arrow. Doh!
V coach, "Isn't that a violation for catching it?"
Me, "No, it bounced first. It's legal."

Game with conference rivals a few years back. I'm tossing. Little scrum for possession. I wait for partners to get in place and take position as trail.

Tweet........back court as I give signal, direction, and spot, I confidently start running to lead. Nothing like that first whistle being clear cut. Problem was I saw some volleyball line that I thought was division line. Yikes!

[j51969]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Game with conference rivals a few years back. I'm tossing. Little scrum for possession. I wait for partners to get in place and take position as trail.

Tweet........back court as I give signal, direction, and spot, I confidently start running to lead. Nothing like that first whistle being clear cut. Problem was I saw some volleyball line that I thought was division line. Yikes!

I have done that a few times in the past. Some of those small college gym's have lines everywhere! Odd thing no one said a word to us. Sometimes acting like your on it is good enough!

[Back In The Saddle]

Poo happens. IW, put the ball back in play and nobody will even remember it. Except you. And your partner. Who will tease you mercilessly about it.

[Welpe]

Gee Snaqs, you trying to give Billy more ammunition for his Coin Toss Only Crusade ™?

Originally Posted by fullor30

Tweet........back court as I give signal, direction, and spot, I confidently start running to lead. Nothing like that first whistle being clear cut. Problem was I saw some volleyball line that I thought was division line. Yikes!

I did something similar during a boys varsity scrimmage I was working. An offensive player rebounded the ball, dribbled down towards the endline and then stepped on a line. I hit the whistle, voice my call and give a confident point in the other direction, feeling quite proud of myself while my trainer and other trainees look on. Then I realized the "line" he stepped on was a long strip of blue painter's tape on the gym floor. The tape was very similar in color to the actual endline.

The color drained from my face as I had to explain we had an IW and I gave the ball back to the original team that had it for a throw in. Whoops.

[MikeK27]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I did something similar during a boys varsity scrimmage I was working. An offensive player rebounded the ball, dribbled down towards the endline and then stepped on a line. I hit the whistle, voice my call and give a confident point in the other direction, feeling quite proud of myself while my trainer and other trainees look on. Then I realized the "line" he stepped on was a long strip of blue painter's tape on the gym floor. The tape was very similar in color to the actual endline.

The color drained from my face as I had to explain we had an IW and I gave the ball back to the original team that had it for a throw in. Whoops.

I officiated my first year last year and had this happen to me in my second game. I saw the player step on the line, blew the whistle, pointed and said red ball. Then I looked down to see the "line" was clearly not the endline. But, now in my second year, I always look at the floor marking really good before we start.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Poo happens. IW, put the ball back in play and nobody will even remember it. Except you. And your partner. Who will tease you mercilessly about it.

when we were talking about it afterwards, one of the varsity guys (who didn't actually see it) suggested I could have called a re-jump.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Game with conference rivals a few years back. I'm tossing. Little scrum for possession. I wait for partners to get in place and take position as trail.

Tweet........back court as I give signal, direction, and spot, I confidently start running to lead. Nothing like that first whistle being clear cut. Problem was I saw some volleyball line that I thought was division line. Yikes!

Earlier this yr, Me - TWEET! "Backcourt."

Coach - "I thought we were playing the blue lines?"

Me - DUH!?

[representing]

Here's a jump ball situation I had. On Tuesday, I'm doing Girls JV. I toss the ball up, and keep myself still. Home team jumper, on her way up, hits me by accident and I'm thinking "I may have affected her enough that the other team got the ball" and the visitors did get first possession. I didn't blow the whistle to stop play, because I'm thinking "ok, jumpers had their position, I got into position to toss the ball and kept my position until jumpers went up. It's her fault for the contact between us, not me". Was I correct?