King for a day

[JRutledge]

Get rid of the current coaches box and let coaches use a college style box. Then when they get T'd, they can sit down like the current rule. Then they have no excuse for getting stuck.

Peace

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

You must have had a moron for an official then.

I wondered that a couple times. But it was 2 man so double that.

Originally Posted by Smitty

What coach in his right mind would call a timeout while his team has a fast break?

Not me.

Originally Posted by Smitty

Knowing this, any reputable varsity official would think to look and make sure the correct coach actually requested a timeout. I assume this was the new trail as the new lead would have been closer to you at the time?

No, it was first half and my player already passed me on the sideline with a 2 on 2 break. The original trail saw the steal and was passing the other coach by then and had the IW.

The other coach was mad at them earlier in the game when his TO request went unheard and was trying to make a point since there was an official running by him. It was bang bang and considering the previous circumstances, I don't blame the guy for the IW. I blame the other coach.

If he can coax an inadvertant whistle, to stop a play and set up his 1-3-1 trap at 1/2 court.... then I think causing an IW that way should be a T.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So did the game fees go up when you were forced to work 4:00 more per game?

I don't think so. Personally it never even crossed my mind. I don't remember even hearing any serious talk about increasing game fees at the time. The resistance to 3 person in some areas was enough to keep us from pushing for more money.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

One jump ball a game shouldn't really be an issue.

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't find the jump ball rules that hard to digest and understand. We typically have a jump ball every game, so these rules should be thought about every game and will be fresh.

constable and Smitty: You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but just for kicks, and please don't cheat by looking it up, give me all the rules about a jump ball, and do it as fast as you can type. Now don't forget to include rules for jumpers, nonjumpers, players on the circle, players off the circle, official ready to toss, official tosses, ball is tapped, open spots on the circle, filled spots on the circle, moving onto the circle, moving off of the circle. I'll even give you a hint, nonjumpers on the circle can move off the circle at any time. Now it's your turn. Ready. Set. Go.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

constable and Smitty: You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but just for kicks, and please don't cheat by looking it up, give me all the rules about a jump ball, and do it as fast as you can type. Now don't forget to include rules for jumpers, nonjumpers, players on the circle, players off the circle, official ready to toss, official tosses, ball is tapped, open spots on the circle, filled spots on the circle, moving onto the circle, moving off of the circle. I'll even give you a hint, nonjumpers on the circle can move off the circle at any time. Now it's your turn.

Billy, give me all the rules about technical fouls without looking them up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Billy, give me all the rules about technical fouls without looking them up.

Many, but certainly not all, technical fouls happen over a period of several seconds, for example the scorer tells you a name is not in the book, or the coach has been distracting you over a period of a few minutes. We often, but not all the time, have time to not only think about what just occurred, but in some cases we can confer with our partner to confirm that a technical foul infraction has occurred.

Jump ball violations happen in the space of a split second, often viewed by only the nontossing official. Do you honestly believe that officials today know the jump ball rules as well as they used to before the advent of the alternating possession arrow? I know that I don't. I would rather spend my study time reviewing the travel rules, or the rules on screening, or rules regarding free throw violations, rules that can be difficult to completely understand, yet we have to know them like we know the back of our hands, because we'll be seeing situations involving these rules many, many, times during the course of a game. I know that I am being lazy admitting this, but since I only observe, as the nontosser, one jump ball, in every other game that I officiate, I'm not wasting my time studying the jump ball rules more than once a season.

Note how may threads, or posts, we get on the Forum about jump ball rules. Do you think it's because all Forum members, except me, know the jump ball rules like they know their own name? Or, rather, is it because they really don't care enough about some rules that they will not need to understand for thirty-one minutes, and fifty-nine seconds, rules that most coaches, players, parents, and maybe, even their partners, don't know very well, and can't criticize their rule knowledge, or lack of, in regard to this set of rules?

[Adam]

Most officials couldn't tell you, without looking, the intricacies of the TF rules either. FCOL, a good chunk of officials would stumble on two or three of the free throw rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A good chunk of officials would stumble on two or three of the free throw rules.

Hey. I work with a few officials that stumble over a boundary line when they don't look where they're going.

[Adam]

That's funny, I don't remember ever being in Connecticut.

[eyezen]

Stop the clock under a minute in the 4th quarter after a made basket
-seems counter intuitive but it would result in better flow of close games
-less TO's called during the end of the game just to stop the clock, take into consideration a TO is going to cost at least a good minute-thirty/minute-fourtyfive from whistle to whistle
-in another wise benign game with no TO's called, it would add maybe 20 secs total if that
-would be ignored completely during mercy clock situations

Coaches can only call a TO while the ball is dead and clock stopped
- obvious

16 minute halves
- better flow, potential for more scoring as two less opt for teams to hold the ball for "last shot"
- not to mention two less chances for us to screw up a horn/shot or shot/horn sequence
- the 8 minute and 24 minute mark now become just like any other

I don't want to push my luck with asking for a shot clock
-but again better flow - less fouling during close games

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's funny, I don't remember ever being in Connecticut.

That's part of the problem.

[Camron Rust]

Unify the NFHS, NCAA-M, and NCAA-W rules and mechanics. There is no good reason for them to be different except for length of quarters.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by constable

Getting rid of jump balls period? Not a fan of that idea at all. One jump ball a game ( not counting any overtime or a re-toss) shouldn't really be an issue. There is nothing wrong with a jump ball to start the game and overtimes.

I had my first game that didn't start with a jump ball in a long time yesterday- kid in a JV game dunked ( twice, first one he was spoken too) in the warm up- that's a silly rule. I know others disagree with me.

Another rule I know others disagree with me on is seeing an player disqualified for a flagrant foul have to leave the bench and goto the dressing room.

The ability for teams to mutually agree on the colour of their uniforms ( home in dark, away in white) seems only natural to me.

I prefer people being able to enter the lane on release of the ball, but I believe NHFS changed that about 10 years ago or so to clean up rough play.

OH YA- shot clocks. Shot clocks make for such a better game. In going from FIBA with a 24 second shot clock to Fed with an 4 8 minute shot clocks, it is such a better game.

So if I could change only one rule, it would be the implementation of shot clocks for all high school and up games.

Constable,

You should move down here to Washington State then. We have a 30-second shot clock for girls, & a 35-second shot clock for boys. The WIAA amended the Boys' shot clock regulation just over the summer. It's been interesting to see the coaches getting used to the shot clock & the style of play has evolved from it.

[chseagle]

How about just play "street rules", no blood, no foul??

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am getting ready to go to work right now but you can bet your sweet bippy that tomorrow I will have a lot to say on this thread.

MTD, Sr.