Technical Foul questions

[Spence]

#1 Coach requests TO. Granted. However, he's out of them.

#2 A6 when told to "go in" runs onto the court without being beckoned during a live ball.

In #1, does the coach get the seatbelt since this is a team T? Does it count towards his T count that determines if he is ejected?

#2 Does A6 get the T since this is a "substitute T?" Does the coach get the seatbelt? Does it count against his total # Ts for ejection purposes?

[tjchamp]

Originally Posted by Spence

#1 Coach requests TO. Granted. However, he's out of them.

#2 A6 when told to "go in" runs onto the court without being beckoned during a live ball.

In #1, does the coach get the seatbelt since this is a team T? Does it count towards his T count that determines if he is ejected?

Administrative T, no indirect to coach (no seat-belt), but counts towards team-foul count.

#2 Does A6 get the T since this is a "substitute T?" Does the coach get the seatbelt? Does it count against his total # Ts for ejection purposes?

A6 gets a T for entering court without being beckoned. This counts towards his 2 T limit, his 5 personal limit, and is added to the team count. No indirect to the coach.

[Back In The Saddle]

#1 is a team technical. Team technicals do not result in an indirect to the coach.

#2 is a substitute technical. Substitute technicals do not result in an indirect to the coach.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

#1 is a team technical. Team technicals do not result in an indirect to the coach.

#2 is a substitute technical. Substitute technicals do not result in an indirect to the coach.

Ok, I think that has been covered before, but when the team as a whole gets a T, who gets it marked against in the scorebook?

I've always had the understanding that if the T is against a specific player, mark it against them, however if due to something beyond the control of the coach (i.e. administrative T or fan conduct) it is still marked against the coach.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok, I think that has been covered before, but when the team as a whole gets a T, who gets it marked against in the scorebook?

I've always had the understanding that if the T is against a specific player, mark it against them, however if due to something beyond the control of the coach (i.e. administrative T or fan conduct) it is still marked against the coach.

The only technicals charged to the coach are direct, for his own behavior, or indirect, for the behavior of bench personnel.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The only technicals charged to the coach are direct, for his own behavior, or indirect, for the behavior of bench personnel.

I was figuring that was the case, however it wasn't clearly explained to me

Hopefully after reading through the book "Officiating Basketball" written by the NFHS in 2005, I'll have a more clear understanding.

[Back In The Saddle]

I've not seen that book (unless it's known under another name), but from the name I suspect it's not going to be a good replacement for the rules book. So, here is a brief recap of the types of technical fouls that exist in high school basketball.

• Team technical - Includes: administrative, delay of game, more than five players playing, excessive time out. Penalty - Counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Substitute technical - Entering the game without reporting to the scorer or without being beckoned. Penalty - Counts toward the player's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Player technical - Includes: unsporting behavior, dunking/grabbing rim before game or during halftime, intentional or flagrant foul during dead ball, delay returning after a throw-in, lots of stuff you'll never see. Penalty - Counts toward the player's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Bench technical - Includes: unsporting behavior committed by the folks on the bench, which includes all players during before the game and halftime, entering the court without permission. Penalty - Direct technical foul to the offender, and an indirect technical foul to the head coach; counts towards the offender's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Coach technical - Includes: unsporting behavior, not sitting or leaving the coaching box, not replacing a disqualified or injured player within 20 seconds, allowing a player to participate with an illegal jersey. Penalty - Direct technical foul to the head coach; counts toward the team foul count; two shots plus the ball.

Notice that only coach technicals and bench technicals carry an indirect to the coach as part of the penalty.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've not seen that book (unless it's known under another name), but from the name I suspect it's not going to be a good replacement for the rules book. So, here is a brief recap of the types of technical fouls that exist in high school basketball.

• Team technical - Includes: administrative, delay of game, more than five players playing, excessive time out. Penalty - Counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Substitute technical - Entering the game without reporting to the scorer or without being beckoned. Penalty - Counts toward the player's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Player technical - Includes: unsporting behavior, dunking/grabbing rim before game or during halftime, intentional or flagrant foul during dead ball, delay returning after a throw-in, lots of stuff you'll never see. Penalty - Counts toward the player's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Bench technical - Includes: unsporting behavior committed by the folks on the bench, which includes all players during before the game and halftime, entering the court without permission. Penalty - Direct technical foul to the offender, and an indirect technical foul to the head coach; counts towards the offender's personal foul count; counts toward the team foul count; two shots and the ball.
• Coach technical - Includes: unsporting behavior, not sitting or leaving the coaching box, not replacing a disqualified or injured player within 20 seconds, allowing a player to participate with an illegal jersey. Penalty - Direct technical foul to the head coach; counts toward the team foul count; two shots plus the ball.

Notice that only coach technicals and bench technicals carry an indirect to the coach as part of the penalty.

So in other words, a team technical is assessed to the team as a whole & not to anyone in particular. I HAD the understanding that a team technical would count against the coach. Thanks for the clarification.

The book "Officiating Basketball" was done in 2005 by the NFHS Officials Education Program, & was developed by the American Sport Education Program.

So far, from what I've read, it's discussed what's expected from an official, their duties, & some floor mechanics.

I decided to check it out of the library, so that I could have a better understanding of what it takes to be an official.

I wish I had a copy of the NFHS Rule Book & Case Book, unfortunately I have no idea where I could get them for review.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So in other words, a team technical is assessed to the team as a whole & not to anyone in particular. I HAD the understanding that a team technical would count against the coach. Thanks for the clarification.

The book "Officiating Basketball" was done in 2005 by the NFHS Officials Education Program, & was developed by the American Sport Education Program.

So far, from what I've read, it's discussed what's expected from an official, their duties, & some floor mechanics.

I decided to check it out of the library, so that I could have a better understanding of what it takes to be an official.

I wish I had a copy of the NFHS Rule Book & Case Book, unfortunately I have no idea where I could get them for review.

Go to NFHS | National Federation of State High School Associations as I am sure they are available for purchase there.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Go to NFHS | National Federation of State High School Associations as I am sure they are available for purchase there.

The other problem, having money to purchase.

I was lucky in finding "Officiating Basketball" through my library. It was the only item available through the collection that had to do with anything officiating.

Unfortunately, "Officiating Basketball" from what I can tell is no longer available through the NFHS to purchase. So the only way to read it is if your local library has it in their collection.

[tjchamp]

Note - If you are a member of the NFHS, you can download it from their site. If you are a registered official with your state, you may be a member. Part of our fees in MN go to membership in NFHS, which is nice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The other problem, having money to purchase.

I was lucky in finding "Officiating Basketball" through my library. It was the only item available through the collection that had to do with anything officiating.

Unfortunately, "Officiating Basketball" from what I can tell is no longer available through the NFHS to purchase. So the only way to read it is if your local library has it in their collection.

Here you go: http://www.nfhs.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=3283

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjchamp

Note - If you are a member of the NFHS, you can download it from their site. If you are a registered official with your state, you may be a member. Part of our fees in MN go to membership in NFHS, which is nice.

I am neither an official, a coach, or AD. Therefore, I am not a member of the local/state association or NFHS.

Although I do strongly feel that those that do scoreboard/timer & shot clock, like me, should have to go through similar training & testing like the floor officials, in order to be table personnel.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The other problem, having money to purchase.

I was lucky in finding "Officiating Basketball" through my library. It was the only item available through the collection that had to do with anything officiating.

Unfortunately, "Officiating Basketball" from what I can tell is no longer available through the NFHS to purchase. So the only way to read it is if your local library has it in their collection.

www.nfhs.com

The books are around $7. Order a rule book and case book. I'll bet you can come up with $15 or so.

Or ask the coaches at your school if they have one you can borrow. Most states send coaches one, whether they read them or not.