Throwing Out a Fan.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

One problem. You can't do that.



Crowd Control? Isn't that you?

I did not realize that if I told this guy is going to go or we do not continue, I have no right to do that. Thanks for informing me of that fact.

BTW I got there first; the school was going to take care of the situation too.

Peace

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize that if I told this guy is going to go or we do not continue, I have no right to do that. Thanks for informing me of that fact.

BTW I got there first; the school was going to take care of the situation too.

Peace

There is a difference between suspending the game if a problem isn't taken care of, and telling a visiting head coach that his team will forfeit if one of their fans doesn't leave.

It wasn't the visiting head coach's problem to deal with...

[mutantducky]

that sounds like jedi talk to me.


"But you cannot do that remember. Someone said you have no authority. You must allow those things to continue in your games and you are powerless. "

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

There is a difference between suspending the game if a problem isn't taken care of, and telling a visiting head coach that his team will forfeit if one of their fans doesn't leave.

It wasn't the visiting head coach's problem to deal with...

You missed the sarcasm.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Had an incident last year during a Girls' C-Squad game where a fan/parent of the visiting team was very vocal about the play on the court. He was continually yelling at the floor officials that their calls were wrong. One of those times he did use some not-so-appropriate language after a foul was called on his daughter. After the reporting official notified the table of the foul, the official turned to the visiting coach & said either you remove that fan, or your team forfeits the game. Game Management was brought in, as well as local police, since they were onsite, to escort him out of the gym & ultimately off of school grounds.

The reasoning behind getting the police involved in this instance was that he did not want to listen to the officials or the coach to leave. Crowd Control asked him to leave, he was being uncooperative. A school administrator was brought in with the same response, so the police officer was brought in as no other method was working to keep the situation under control.

Come to find out after the fact that the guy had a bit of a rap sheet, & he was arrested due to having a warrant out against him.

The few times I've felt the need to get anyone involved, I just go to game management and have them deal with it as they see fit. Whoever was in control of your facility shouldn't have waited for the officials to have to get involved.

I'll agree they were off base in threatening a forfeit.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The few times I've felt the need to get anyone involved, I just go to game management and have them deal with it as they see fit. Whoever was in control of your facility shouldn't have waited for the officials to have to get involved.

I'll agree they were off base in threatening a forfeit.

We had 2 gyms running simultaneously, in the other gym the game was Boys' V so more attention was there due to a bigger crowd. Up until then, the fan was being ignored or the coach would look back @ him & request/ask that he stop. The crowd control present @ time asked him to cease, in which he would for a short time. As soon as there was a call on the floor he didn't like, he'd start back up again. Most of his comments were "get glasses", "how could you call that when...", & other comments related to missed/botched calls. Nothing truly offensive or unwarrented.

What caused the floor officials to get involved was his one comment as it was loud enough for everyone to hear. He was asked to stop again & he was being overly defiant.

[Adam]

If all he's saying are the things you listed and similar, then I wouldn't have bothered with him.
That said, if GM (game management) asks him to stop, and he does "for a while" before starting up again, you've got to kick him out when he resumes. He's already been warned. That's completely separate, BTW, from whether or not he actually deserves it based on what was said.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If all he's saying are the things you listed and similar, then I wouldn't have bothered with him.
That said, if GM (game management) asks him to stop, and he does "for a while" before starting up again, you've got to kick him out when he resumes. He's already been warned. That's completely separate, BTW, from whether or not he actually deserves it based on what was said.

From a Sports team POV, would you want your fan base to be kicked out of the arena for making generalized comments about the calls on the court/field/rink just cause of not agreeing with them?

I've worked crowd control for Football, Basketball, Hockey, & Wrestling, in all those times, we were told to only intervene when a complaint was made that was valid, or there was a chance of fans/participants getting hurt due to conduct. The only person really complaining was the coach. He was asked to tone it down, which he did but the understanding was also there that his daughter was a participant so due to an extenuating circumstance he was more involved as he had a vested interest in the game. The outbursts afterwards were not as vocal until his daughter got called for her 4th foul in which he thought was a BS Call & that's when he actually stepped into the boundary of being a hazard to the fans/participants.

The fan/parent was making generalized statements that anyone would of made, except that he was louder than most. He stayed in his seat the whole time up until he was told to leave. The floor officials were ignoring everything he was saying until the one call against his daughter, that he thought didn't happen. It wasn't till his comment that the floor officials even paid any attention to him.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The few times I've felt the need to get anyone involved, I just go to game management and have them deal with it as they see fit. Whoever was in control of your facility shouldn't have waited for the officials to have to get involved.

I'll agree they were off base in threatening a forfeit.

That about sums it up.

I've had one time I talked to game management. I made them aware of the threats and they had the fan leave.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

That about sums it up.

I've had one time I talked to game management. I made them aware of the threats and they had the fan leave.

To sum things up as for Game Management at my alma mater, the primary crowd control is only the Principal, Asst. Principal, & AD. Other than that, the rest of the school staff are there as spectators & nothing more.

Some of the schools in my area, have actual security personnel that serve as crowd control during games, but unfortunately not all have that system in place.

Majority of the crowd control that occurs at my alma mater is done by a volunteer crew whose hands are tied due to rules/regulations.

As I see it, if you're school faculty & you're attending an event where your school is actively participating, you should treat the event like a regular school day & enforce the rules of the evnt.