Your call?

Johnny Ringo · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by j51969

Consider this: A1 an B1 collide. B1 never had a legal guarding position because they were guarding A2 near by. Why would it make a difference if B1 was actively engaged with another player, or just standing there. Considering the contact resulted on both you may have nothing. Basketball is a contact sport not a collision sport. This certainly happens more often in the girls game than boys.

This is not the play (see above).

A1 dribbles into the path of where B1 appeared to be running. A1 stops (may have even initiated the contact - (much like offensive player driving to the basket) B1 can't stop and hits A1 ... you have to have a call. Do you call PC on A1 or push on B1?

I know you have all seen this play where the point guard dribbles into the defensive player while running up the floor. But, in this case there is a crash!

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 03:14pm

If A1 has time to stop before contact, then B1 has time to change course. The onus is on the defense here, IMO.

Raymond · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

This is not the play (see above).

A1 dribbles into the path of where B1 appeared to be running. A1 stops (may have even initiated the contact - (much like offensive player driving to the basket) B1 can't stop and hits A1 ... you have to have a call. Do you call PC on A1 or push on B1?

I know you have all seen this play where the point guard dribbles into the defensive player while running up the floor. But, in this case there is a crash!

I will ask again. WHO GOT TO THE SPOT OF THE COLLISION FIRST?

I will ask a new question: what is your agenda? Are you trying to win a bet with someone? You seemed determined to get a particular answer from the forum.

Johnny Ringo · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 04:38pm

No agenda. Just trying to get an answer. Foul on A1 of B1

Thanks snaqwells, your reasoning was good.

Just see the play and make a call. Is there not enough info for most of you?

Raymond · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Just see the play and make a call. Is there not enough info for most of you?

No...I would like to know who got the spot of the collision first.

Without that it's a HTBT for me.

RookieDude · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 05:15pm

...OK, I'll humor you...PUSH on B1! And I'd sell it quite nicely thank-you very much.

Johnny Ringo · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 12, 2009, 01:55am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No...I would like to know who got the spot of the collision first.

Without that it's a HTBT for me.

Obviously A1 got there first and then contact.

I can't imagine you all have never seen this or are having that hard of a time picturing.

But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?

I have no bet or agenda - just seeking what you all would do. So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!

Back In The Saddle · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 12, 2009, 02:04am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!

It's just a service we offer.

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 12, 2009, 08:54am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?

If A1 displaces B1 from B1's path, then it's a foul on A1 (or a no call).

If A1 gets into the path without causing contact, then the player behind (B1) is responsible for the contact.

Johnny Ringo · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 12, 2009, 12:13pm

Nice Bob, thanks!

Raymond · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 12, 2009, 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Obviously A1 got there first and then contact.

I can't imagine you all have never seen this or are having that hard of a time picturing.

But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?

I have no bet or agenda - just seeking what you all would do. So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!

Asking who got there first is a goofy remark? What's goofy is asking the same thing over and over and wondering why people can't picture the same thing you do.

I have never had the play in any of my games. Is that goofy also?

Johnny Ringo · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 13, 2009, 01:02am

BadNewsRef ... trying to answer the question is fine and I appreciate that.

You have never seen a guard with the ball dribble into a defender while running down the court? I just saw it twice today in college games.

fiasco · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 11, 2009, 05:48pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Just see the play and make a call.

Flagrant foul on A1 and B1, they're both ejected and so are the coaches and both teams. We all go home.

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