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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 03:59am
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Question Potential Shot clock violation?

Had this happen during the girls' Varsity Game tonight: The home team has the ball, shot clock at 2 seconds, player shoots the ball without hitting the rim, however visiting team recovers the ball via rebound. The visiting HC was yelling for a shot clock violation, yet none was called.

How I viewed it was that since the home team shot was an air ball (no rim or backboard) when the shot clock was about to hit zero, yet the visiting team rebounded & had control that the play was done correctly since the shot clock was reset due to the visiting team in possession befoire the shot clock buzzer sounded.

Was this done correctly?
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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 04:17am
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If the shot clock horn sounds while the ball is in the air, and the try then fails to contact the ring, the shot clock violation must be whistled no matter which team gains control of the miss.

However, if the try is an airball and the opposing team gains control prior to the shot clock expiring, as was the case that you describe, then the shot clock is properly reset upon the establishment of possession and the game should not be stopped by the officials.
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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 04:27am
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If the shot clock horn sounds while the ball is in the air, and the try then fails to contact the ring, the shot clock violation must be whistled no matter which team gains control of the miss.

However, if the try is an airball and the opposing team gains control prior to the shot clock expiring, as was the case that you describe, then the shot clock is properly reset upon the establishment of possession and the game should not be stopped by the officials.
I was thinking the latter was the case, considering when the visiting team rebounded & had control/possession the shot clock was about to go off, but the reset happened before the buzzer sounded.

The visitor HC was yelling for a shot clock violation even though it was her team that had possession after the rebound & shot clock reset. I was asked by the shot clock operator if the proper procedure was followed. All I could say was how I saw it the home team shot missed, but the visiting team had possession via the rebound before the shot clock buzzer sounded.
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Part of your job is to ignore the coaches. That is the officials' job. You just do what the officials say.
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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 04:46pm
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Part of your job is to ignore the coaches. That is the officials' job. You just do what the officials say.
With the way that coach was yelling all night, I'm a bit surprised she didn't get T'd out.

She yelled basically at the top of her lungs it should of been a shot clock violation.

I was behind the table as a spectator/crowd control at the time. It was the shot clock operator that asked me to verify the correct procedure.

The scoreboard operator was just sitting there shaking her head, after hearing my response to the question. There was a copy of the new WIAA Shot Clock regulations there for the shot clock operator's review if needed. The floor officials didn't say anything as they saw that proper procedure was followed.
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Was she yelling at the officials or the table? Not that it matters a whole lot. I don't allow coaches to scream at me or the table.

She ain't my coach.
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Was she yelling at the officials or the table? Not that it matters a whole lot. I don't allow coaches to scream at me or the table.

She ain't my coach.
She was yelling at both the table & the officials. The officials were veteran officials, as the visiting HC didn't get under their skin.

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm surprised she didn't get T'd out, when her being out of the box on several occassions as well as yelling about missed calls or calls she felt shouldn't of happened.
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Interesting way of wording it, but a coach doesn't need to get under my skin for me to T; it's the behavior. Yelling about calls will get at least a warning the first time. Yelling at the table will earn her a warning and a very short leash, at least. A combination? Easy T.
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Interesting way of wording it, but a coach doesn't need to get under my skin for me to T; it's the behavior. Yelling about calls will get at least a warning the first time. Yelling at the table will earn her a warning and a very short leash, at least. A combination? Easy T.
That's the thing that surprised me as well. Sure it was a Girls' Varsity Game, but there were only about 200 spectators watching in a gym that holds about 2000. So when she was yelling the whole gym could of heard her easily, as the noise level from spectators wasn't that loud.

When the coach was yelling about the shot clock violation, the play was on the opposite end of the floor from the bench. It wouldn't of surprised me if the Concessions Stand could of heard her.
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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 05:24pm
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It's one thing for a coach to raise his/her voice just to be heard; that's different than yelling at me. When I played in HS, I remember our girls coach got T'd for yelling "We might as well go back to junior high!" He was yelling at his players, but he was a known hothead so he had lost the benefit of the doubt with the officials. Watching him scream was more fun than watching the team play.
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Yelling about a rule and being incorrect is an automatic T from me.
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Old Wed Dec 09, 2009, 10:46pm
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With the way that coach was yelling all night, I'm a bit surprised she didn't get T'd out.

She yelled basically at the top of her lungs it should of been a shot clock violation.

I was behind the table as a spectator/crowd control at the time. It was the shot clock operator that asked me to verify the correct procedure.

The scoreboard operator was just sitting there shaking her head, after hearing my response to the question. There was a copy of the new WIAA Shot Clock regulations there for the shot clock operator's review if needed. The floor officials didn't say anything as they saw that proper procedure was followed.
Yes, we know you get to do "crowd control" at these games.

Yes, we know that you want the job of the lady who gets to do the shot clock for the varsity games at this school.

No, we don't care about either.
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Yes, we know you get to do "crowd control" at these games.

Yes, we know that you want the job of the lady who gets to do the shot clock for the varsity games at this school.

No, we don't care about either.
I've done shot clock for Grils' Varsity before. I am wanting to work Varsity Scoreboard, however I am just trying to work my way up to doing it.

The gal that is currently doing Varsity Scoreboard was thankful for being notified about the new rules/regulations.

Currently at my alma mater, there is no set person to do shot clock for any level. So one game, I could be crowd control, the next game I could be doing shot clock.
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