No sub for fouled out player

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

At a recent game, player receives their fifth foul and we are shooting two. Does the fouled out player have to wait for the completion of the first free throw before they leave the floor and sit on the bench? ( no sub was available)

Hmmm...I think we lost track of the OP with all of our responses. Do you mean that there was no sub available at all or there wasn't anyone reported or??? I think everyone went off and answered without the full details.

[Back In The Saddle]

Sorry, forgot about partners. Yes, you are going to alert them so they don't start shooting free throws. And, in fact, you have the option of having one of your partners handle notifying the coach, etc.

But either way, if the crew is working like it should, getting signals before each free throw, etc. they'll see that you're taking care of some business and will hold the free throw administration until you are ready.

And W&S is correct. Apart from communicating with your crew it is notify the coach, time keeper, player.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hmmm...I think we lost track of the OP with all of our responses. Do you mean that there was no sub available at all or there wasn't anyone reported or??? I think everyone went off and answered without the full details.

I had read the OP to mean that there were no eligible substitutes that could replace the DQ'd player, and they'd have to continue with four. But I don't believe it matters which way you read it, the answer is still the same. Once the official is notified that the player has five fouls, we do not continue the game until we've taken care of all the proper notifications and the DQ'd player leaves the game. Normally that means a sub replaces him, but if the team is out of subs, you go on with fewer than five.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I had read the OP to mean that there were no eligible substitutes that could replace the DQ'd player, and they'd have to continue with four. But I don't believe it matters which way you read it, the answer is still the same. Once the official is notified that the player has five fouls, we do not continue the game until we've taken care of all the proper notifications and the DQ'd player leaves the game. Normally that means a sub replaces him, but if the team is out of subs, you go on with fewer than five.

But it is very important to have that 20 second clock start and end prior to administering the FT. If the coach has a sub he CAN put in but does not do so in the prescribed time frame, the coach earns a T.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hmmm...I think we lost track of the OP with all of our responses. Do you mean that there was no sub available at all or there wasn't anyone reported or??? I think everyone went off and answered without the full details.

No sub was available due to remaining team members had already fouled out. Only 4 were still eligible to continue.

[chseagle]

Last year, when I was doing scoreboard/timer, a situation like this happened. The floor officials had an official time-out, talked with both coaches & it was agreed by all parties to continue the game playing 4-on-4.

The game was a C-Squad game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Last year, when I was doing scoreboard/timer, a situation like this happened. The floor officials had an official time-out, talked with both coaches & it was agreed by all parties to continue the game playing 4-on-4.

The game was a C-Squad game.

This is the wrong procedure. I had a game like this last week. Home team started with 7. One turned his ankle in the 2nd quarter and two fouled out in the fourth. Home finished the last couple minutes with 4 and won by about 8 or 9.

There isn't much to discuss here, except to inform the officials there are only 4 available players. In fact, by rule, the other coach cannot continue with less than 5 if he has 5 available. I understand this was "just" a C-squad game, but around here, it wouldn't matter what level it is.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is the wrong procedure. I had a game like this last week. Home team started with 7. One turned his ankle in the 2nd quarter and two fouled out in the fourth. Home finished the last couple minutes with 4 and won by about 8 or 9.

Snaqwells, how is that the wrong procedure? Is there a rule/regulation in NFHS that the teams have to remain 5-on-5 throughout the game?

The incident I am talking about that I witnessed, it was the 4th quarter with only about 2 minutes left on the clock.

I am curious about this since having seen it happen, how it should of been handled. I know the rules are supposed to be strictly followed no matter it be a C-Squad game or a Varsity Game. (Unless the State/Local Association has different rules like sub-Varsity can wear light colored uniforms besides the white now required for Varsity)

[Adam]

Rule 3-1-1: Each team consists of five players, one of whom is the captain. Note: A team must begin the game with five players, but if it has no substitutes to replace disqualified or injured players, it must continue with fewer than five. When there is only one player participating for a team, the team shall forfeit the game, unless the referee believes that team has an opportunity to win the game.

Further, case play 3.1.1 addresses this situation directly:

After six players have been disqualified, Team A has only four who are eligible to continue in the game as players. In a gesture of fair play, the coach of Team B indicates a desire to withdraw a player so that each team will have four players on the court. RULLING: This is not permissible. Team B must have five players participating as long as it has that number available. If no substitute is available, a team must continue with fewer than five players.

Now, just an addendum, the NFHS has ruled that the white home uni requirement is for varsity contests only.