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When is team control established on a throw in? There is no team control on the throw in (NFHS Rule 4-12-6) and the throw in ends when it is legally touched (NFHS Rule 4-42-5). Is team control established when throw in ends or when a player gains control?
Reason for this questions is this situation: which their appears to be contradicting case book situations for. When a ball is thrown in from out of bounds by A1 is touched by A2 or tapped by A2 from the frontcourt into the back court (never controlled by A2 ) can someone from A2's team be the first to touch it in back court? Look at NFHS 2009-10 Case Book 9.9.1 Situation D and 4.12.6 (b). These two situations seem to contradict each other. Please help!! |
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Just a generally useful tip: Often the answer to exactly when some situation or condition begins and ends, like team control and player control, is found in Rule 4. If you haven't had a good look at Rule 4 yet, you'd be well served to read it thoroughly before carrying on with any other rules.
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Another team control question:
Try by A1... A2 or B1 commits a foul. If the ball goes in, basket counts, in both situations correct? And are there any free throws shot or simply ball out of bounds at spot and no free throws because no team control on a try or tap for field goal? Is the above all correct? |
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A2 fouls, then Team B will have an unrestricted throw in on the endline B1 fouls, then Team A will inbound the ball at the spot out of bounds nearest to where the foul occurred. |
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Not Sure That is Right?
[QUOTE=Snaqwells;637095]The difference is that in 9.9.1D, the player catches the ball in the air after it was touched. When it is touched, the throwin ends. When he catches it, player control and team control are established. Since he has FC status when he catches it (he jumped from the FC), it's a violation when he lands in the BC. The exception only applies if the airborne catch is the touch that ends the throwin.
In 4.12.6B, player/team control isn't established until the ball and player are both in the BC. Does this help? Not sure this is correct High School wise. When touched, yes throw in ends. This DOES end the throwin, but DOESN'T establish Team Control. He caught the ball in the air, so where he started doesn't matter when it is thrown from out of bounds. He has Team Control in Backcourt. 10 Second Count begins. NO Backcourt Violation. |
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The rule SHOULD be that team control is established when a player is dribbling or holding the ball and has both feet in contact with the floor....but it is not.
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4.12.6 is about a backcourt count, which doesn't begin until you have team control after a throw-in. In both cases, team control after a throw-in begins with player control.
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