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With new team control foul rule in NFHS, do we apply the same exception on throw ins as the NCAA? In NCAA, we consider the team with the ball "in control" in the case of fouls and double fouls, even though by rule a team in not in control on jumb balls, throw ins, and shots. With this exception, we utilize the POI on double fouls rather than the arrow and we DO NOT shoot free throws when the offense commits a foul. Again, my question is this consistent with the NFHS as well.
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By rule a team *is* in control during a throw-in under ncaa rules. There is no "exception". This is NOT the case under nfhs rules. There is no team contol during the throw-in under nfhs rules.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 11:41am
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The new HS rule is identical to the existing ncaa rule on "offensive fouls" EXCEPT there is not team control during a throw-in. IOW for HS if there's a foul by the "offense" during a TI the defense shoots 1&1.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 11:45am
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Dan's right on all points.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 12:12pm
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 12:17pm
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No team control: use AP. Right? Is there TC during the HS throw-in? No. You seem to want to go to POI.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 12:32pm
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 12:48pm
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Us AP ONLY when there's no TC and no goal, infraction, end of quarter, TI, FT involved.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 12:55pm
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So for this purpose when does the throw-in end? Inbounds touch, correct? By fed rules.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 01:22pm
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For HS, the interpretation we heard, if I interpreted it correctly, if the thrower has not released the ball, go to POI, e.i. the throw in. If the ball has been released,but not yet controlled by either team, there is no team possession, and no team control, go to AP.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 01:37pm
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that is contradicting what the rule is...that is why they should go with what ncaa has, team control on throw in.. during a throw in nfhs, no team control, double foul, ap arrow, not right, but that is what the rules say to do... until they change it that is what we have to do, by the rules!!!
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Thu Nov 03, 2005, 01:46pm
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The worst possible way to do this IMO.
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No it's not. The rule says you go to the point of interruption and defines exactly what that is. If there's no team control, it's an AP throw-in unless (and everybody seems to want to forget this part of the rule) there is a goal or infraction or end of period involved. There was an infraction involved here. That's why A had the ball for the throw-in. So the POI is the throw-in for the infraction. It's really not that hard to apply, IMO. People are making this way harder than it really is.
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