Team control exception on throw ins

[Buckley11]

With new team control foul rule in NFHS, do we apply the same exception on throw ins as the NCAA? In NCAA, we consider the team with the ball "in control" in the case of fouls and double fouls, even though by rule a team in not in control on jumb balls, throw ins, and shots. With this exception, we utilize the POI on double fouls rather than the arrow and we DO NOT shoot free throws when the offense commits a foul. Again, my question is this consistent with the NFHS as well.

[Dan_ref]

By rule a team *is* in control during a throw-in under ncaa rules. There is no "exception".

This is NOT the case under nfhs rules. There is no team contol during the throw-in under nfhs rules.

[Buckley11]

In NFHS do we use AP or POI on double fouls? Do we shoot FT's on "offensive fouls" if in the bonus?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Buckley11
In NFHS do we use AP or POI on double fouls? Do we shoot FT's on "offensive fouls" if in the bonus?

nfhs uses poi on double fouls but I believe they go to AP if there is no team control (haven't dug into fed rules yet).

The new HS rule is identical to the existing ncaa rule on "offensive fouls" EXCEPT there is not team control during a throw-in. IOW for HS if there's a foul by the "offense" during a TI the defense shoots 1&1.

[ChuckElias]

Dan's right on all points.

[Grail]

So what do we do on a double-foul during a throw-in?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Grail
So what do we do on a double-foul during a throw-in?

What would've happened if the double foul hadn't happened?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

What would've happened if the double foul hadn't happened?

Now I'm confused.

No team control: use AP. Right?
Is there TC during the HS throw-in? No.

You seem to want to go to POI.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Grail
So what do we do on a double-foul during a throw-in?

Rule 4-36-2(b) sez you just re-do the original throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Now I'm confused.

No team control: use AP. Right?

Wrong.

Us AP ONLY when there's no TC and no goal, infraction, end of quarter, TI, FT involved.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Wrong.

Us AP ONLY when there's no TC and no goal, infraction, end of quarter, TI, FT involved.

OK.

So for this purpose when does the throw-in end? Inbounds touch, correct?

By fed rules.

[FrankHtown]

For HS, the interpretation we heard, if I interpreted it correctly, if the thrower has not released the ball, go to POI, e.i. the throw in. If the ball has been released,but not yet controlled by either team, there is no team possession, and no team control, go to AP.

[jritchie]

that is contradicting what the rule is...that is why they should go with what ncaa has, team control on throw in.. during a throw in nfhs, no team control, double foul, ap arrow, not right, but that is what the rules say to do... until they change it that is what we have to do, by the rules!!!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
For HS, the interpretation we heard, if I interpreted it correctly, if the thrower has not released the ball, go to POI, e.i. the throw in. If the ball has been released,but not yet controlled by either team, there is no team possession, and no team control, go to AP.

blech, I was afraid you would say that.

The worst possible way to do this IMO.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by jritchie
that is contradicting what the rule is...

No it's not. The rule says you go to the point of interruption and defines exactly what that is. If there's no team control, it's an AP throw-in unless (and everybody seems to want to forget this part of the rule) there is a goal or infraction or end of period involved.

There was an infraction involved here. That's why A had the ball for the throw-in. So the POI is the throw-in for the infraction. It's really not that hard to apply, IMO. People are making this way harder than it really is.