Shooting Foul

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Another possible answer: after a basket (including a dunk), the ball is dead. During a dead ball, contact that is not an intentional or flagrant foul is ignored by rule.

During a 3-point try, the ball is live, and fouls are called as usual.

Only half true...the other half of that paraphrase is pretty important.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Only half true...the other half of that paraphrase is pretty important.

In general, yes. In the context of explaining why no foul was called after a dunk, no.

[Back In The Saddle]

While I generally agree with the notion that "regular" contact after the dunk should be ignored, in reality he is still an airborne shooter until he returns to the floor. So the ball is not dead.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

While I generally agree with the notion that "regular" contact after the dunk should be ignored, in reality he is still an airborne shooter until he returns to the floor. So the ball is not dead.

Really? You might want to look at that again.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? You might want to look at that again.

"An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor."

Are you implying that a dunk is not a try?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor."

Are you implying that a dunk is not a try?

Not at all.

I'm stating that the ball is dead when it passes through the basket, even if the shooter is still airborne.

That's why the "foul on or by an airborne shooter" is needed in the Personal Foul definition.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not at all.

I'm stating that the ball is dead when it passes through the basket, even if the shooter is still airborne.

That's why the "foul on or by an airborne shooter" is needed in the Personal Foul definition.

Huh? What was that? Did anybody else just see a little light turn on? :sheepish grin:

[ranjo]

Just as a general statement - Most contact on lay-ups is by a player going in the same direction and speed as the shooter which tends to minimize disadvantage type contact. Contact on a three point shot is normally by a player going in the opposite direction of the shooter, which tends to emphasize the contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Really? You might want to look at that again.

Rule 6 SECTION 7 DEAD BALL
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 1 A goal, as in 5-1, is made.
ART. 5 An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
ART. 6 Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
ART. 7 A foul, other than player- or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below).
ART. 9 A violation, as in 9-2 through 13, occurs (see exception d below).
EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
b. Article 5 or 7 occurs while a try for a free throw is in flight.
c. Article 7 occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when throwing the ball at his/her basket.
d. Article 9 as in 9-3-3 or 9-13-1, occurs by an opponent.

bob jenkins: So what your saying is that because the ball is no longer in flight, it has already been dunked, and has gone through the basket, the ball is dead, even though the shooter may still be airborne?

If that's the case, good point. I could have sworn that Back In The Saddle made a valid point. Now we really know, for sure, why they say, "Always listen to bob".