Bulls-Nuggets (o.3 seconds)

[Jay R]

Last night, the Bulls are down 1 point and they call a timeout with 0.3 seconds left. In my mind, I'm thinking they can only tap the ball because you need 0.4 seconds to catch and shoot. Is this not an NBA rule? I know the NCAA rulebook specifies 0.4 to catch and shoot.

Anyway, the Bulls inbound the ball and a player catches it and makes the shot. The officials look at the replays for 4-5 minutes at least and determine the shot was not good.

Help.

[JRutledge]

I think they have to look at all shots that go in at the end of the game. They might have been looking to make sure it was a catch and shoot. If they did not look at this play, they might have gotten hammered from all sides. Remember they have replay, we do not. Different set of standards, even though the rule that we have was created by the NBA on some level. (Trent Tucker with the Knicks against the Bulls I believe)

Peace

[mutantducky]

.3 for NBA and they clarified so you can't be turning. Basically catch a pass while facing the basket or an alley oop. Miller did a slight turn so no basket.
Tucker got that off in .1 second.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

.3 for NBA and they clarified so you can't be turning. Basically catch a pass while facing the basket or an alley oop. Miller did a slight turn so no basket.
Tucker got that off in .1 second.

You're correct that its .3 in the pro game but there is no such clarification about a l "turn". If he gets it off in .3 then he got it off. If not then no basket.

If there is .2 or less you don't go to replay. The refs just have to decide if the off. Player controlled or tapped the ball. If he taps it then the basket is good, if he controls it then no basket.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Trent Tucker with the Knicks against the Bulls.

The Trent Tucker Rule is an NBA rule that disallows any regular shot to be taken on the court if the ball is put into play with less than three-tenths of a second left on the game clock. The rule was passed after the 1989-90 season and named after New York Knicks player Trent Tucker.

The Official Rules of the National Basketball Association state
"NO LESS THAN :00.3 must expire on the game clock when a player secures possession of an inbounds pass and then attempts a field goal. If less than :00.3 expires in such a situation, the timer will be instructed to deduct AT LEAST :00.3 from the game clock. If less than :00.3 remain on the game clock when this situation occurs, the period is over, and the field goal attempt will be disallowed immediately whether successful or unsuccessful."

The rule was born out of a game between the Knicks and the Chicago Bulls on January 15, 1990 at Madison Square Garden. The game was tied at 106 with one-tenth of a second left in regulation and the Knicks in possession. During a time-out called by the Knicks, both teams prepared for what was seen as the only possible way the Knicks could win in regulation; an alley oop tap-in from out of bounds by Patrick Ewing.

When play resumed, the Knicks player throwing the ball in, Mark Jackson, saw the alley-oop play get broken up. He proceeded to throw the ball inbounds to Tucker, who was the only player open. Tucker then turned around and hit a three point jump shot before the buzzer, giving the Knicks the win, 109-106.

The Bulls later filed an official protest with the NBA about the play. However, timekeeper Bob Billings and referee Ronnie Nunn, who were working that game, claimed everything went perfectly fine. The protest was disallowed.

However, vice-president of operations Rod Thorn was the only NBA executive to side with the Bulls. (Incidentally, Thorn was once the general manager of the Bulls.) He pointed out that tests in European basketball leagues, which had used the tenths-of-a-second clock long before the NBA (they were in their first year of its use at the time), proved that it takes at least three-tenths of a second for an inbounds pass to touch a player and release it for a shot.

This became the backbone for the time requirements of the new rule. Teams with the possession of the ball with less than 00.3 left also have the option of trying a hail-mary shot like the one that the Knicks were going to try before Tucker's shot, or to simply let the clock run to zero.

[Mark Padgett]

Here's the link. If you stop the video, you can see the clock at 0.00 (the red border light is on the clock) and the ball almost, but not quite, out of his hand.

Oh yeah, try taking your attention away from the host.

Yahoo! Sports Minute

[mutantducky]

on the turning part I heard it was a new thing for this year. Don't know if that is true or not.

[fullor30]

Initially officials signalled a made goal. The determination I believe is the same as the NFL, that irrefutable evidence is needed to overturn the call. That said, it took them over nine minutes to make a decision which far exceeds normal review time. If it took them that long, I'm surprised they didn't rule based on lack of irrefutable evidence.


It was however, the right call.

[APG]

NBA: Ref got it right in Denver win



NBA spokesman said the referee got the call right in the Denver Nuggets' win over the Chicago Bulls - ESPN Chicago

[bbcof83]

Question:

So in NFHS, is there any kind of guideline like the NBA's "less than 0.2 must be a tip"?

If not, does anyone have any kind of tips or general rule they follow? Perhaps, something I can discuss with my partner(s) if we have a last second shot situation during a game.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Question:

So in NFHS, is there any kind of guideline like the NBA's "less than 0.2 must be a tip"?

If not, does anyone have any kind of tips or general rule they follow? Perhaps, something I can discuss with my partner(s) if we have a last second shot situation during a game.

Its spelled out in the rule book. 5-2-5 "When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score. Note: this rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second."

You can also check out specific plays in the case book. 5.2.3 situations A,B,& C.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by ranjo

Its spelled out in the rule book. 5-2-5 "When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score. Note: this rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second."

You can also check out specific plays in the case book. 5.2.3 situations A,B,& C.

This is an old rule. U can now secure poss. With .3 and take a shot.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is an old rule. U can now secure poss. With .3 and take a shot.

Not sure where you are coming from. The rule and references were taken from the NFHS 2009-10 rules and case book.

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is an old rule. U can now secure poss. With .3 and take a shot.

Really? Rules and/or case reference please.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is an old rule. U can now secure poss. With .3 and take a shot.

I wasn't aware that you did high school ball.