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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 10:48am
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Okay, so HC is gone, and AC replaces him. AC is now an HC, even if it's temporary. So he went from AC to HC. Isn't there a word for that sort of career move? It's on the tip of my tongue....
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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 09:59pm
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If the assistant doesn't become the head coach, then who has the permission to call timeout from the bench? Who is responsible for replacing DQ'd players?

he book says, quite clearly, that those responsibilities/rights are limited to the head coach.

Unless someone is saying that a team no longer has to replace DQ'd players or can no longer call timeout from the bench, the only way that is possible is for the assistant to become the new "head coach". They are now fully and completely responsible for the team and have all rights and privileges of a head coach that the position has not already lost.
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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 11:19pm
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If the assistant doesn't become the head coach, then who has the permission to call timeout from the bench? Who is responsible for replacing DQ'd players?

he book says, quite clearly, that those responsibilities/rights are limited to the head coach.

Unless someone is saying that a team no longer has to replace DQ'd players or can no longer call timeout from the bench, the only way that is possible is for the assistant to become the new "head coach". They are now fully and completely responsible for the team and have all rights and privileges of a head coach that the position has not already lost.
Do you suppose JAR will be back to argue that since the AC is not the HC that the team cannot replace DQ'd players, but that they also cannot play with fewer...so, they have to forfeit for failing to follow the referee's directive.

BTW, does this same twisted logic (not Carmon's logic, the counter argument) also extend to the crew? If the R were to become injured and could not continue would the crew have to continue without an R? You'd better pray it doesn't happen in the first half or there would be nobody to administer the throw-in to start the second half.

Or, even better... The R injures himself tossing A's HC. Later in the game A5 fouls out. But there is no HC to replace him. No problem, we forfeit the game. Whoops, we've got no R. We cannot play without the replacement. We cannot end the game. 10,000,000 years from now archeologists uncover a high school gymnasium full of bodies, a couple in striped shirts, who all died of old age.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 01:11am
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Do you suppose JAR will be back to argue that since the AC is not the HC that the team cannot replace DQ'd players, but that they also cannot play with fewer...so, they have to forfeit for failing to follow the referee's directive.
Obviously, it is necessary for someone to assume some responsibilities of the now departed head coach. If a player wears an illegal jersey, somebody has to get the T. Or does he? In lieu of a head coach, any technical foul which would normally go to the head coach could now be a team T. An assistant coach is now running the team, but does he now have the responsibilities and privileges of a head coach?

The whole point was that I would like to see this issue specifically addressed in the books.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 03:55am
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Obviously, it is necessary for someone to assume some responsibilities of the now departed head coach. If a player wears an illegal jersey, somebody has to get the T. Or does he? In lieu of a head coach, any technical foul which would normally go to the head coach could now be a team T. An assistant coach is now running the team, but does he now have the responsibilities and privileges of a head coach?

The whole point was that I would like to see this issue specifically addressed in the books.
The Interp which I quoted earlier clearly references another coach assuming the responsibilities of the departed Head Coach, however, it makes no mention of him also having the privileges of a Head Coach. Those are two entirely different matters. Since the HC was removed either for his own poor behavior or for failure to properly control those on his bench, I believe that it is quite plausible that the team could be punished by having whoever takes over not have all of the normal privileges of a Head Coach. If the HC is silly enough to get tossed, then some of the perks, such as requesting a time-out from the bench area, go out the door with him. Obviously, the team must have someone assume the duties that are necessary to run the team, but why should the team retain extra privileges specifically given to a Head Coach when it no longer has one?
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 12:26pm
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The head coach is a position, not a person. You don't disqualify a position, you disqualify a person.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 05:29pm
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The head coach is a position, not a person. You don't disqualify a position, you disqualify a person.
Accepting this as fact, the question remains: When this position is suddenly vacant, is another person necessarily/automatically promoted into this position.

I don't know if this would change anything for anyone, but around here it is not uncommon for the small schools to only have one coach, even at the varsity level. I have seen numerous occasions where the head coach was ejected and the principal or some other school official had to step in and finish the game as the (head?) coach.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 05:33pm
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Obviously, it is necessary for someone to assume some responsibilities of the now departed head coach. If a player wears an illegal jersey, somebody has to get the T. Or does he? In lieu of a head coach, any technical foul which would normally go to the head coach could now be a team T. An assistant coach is now running the team, but does he now have the responsibilities and privileges of a head coach?

The whole point was that I would like to see this issue specifically addressed in the books.
Really? You need this spelled out that explicitly for you?
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Old Wed Nov 11, 2009, 03:58am
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Really? You need this spelled out that explicitly for you?
Not a matter of need, but when we consider some of the things which are
spelled out explicitly:

4-39-1: A rule is one of a group of regulations which govern the game.
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