3 Seconds - About Time

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Will it win Best Documentary, Short Subject?

Since it addresses FEEBLE stuff, it probably would be entered in the Foreign Film category.

[mbyron]

Just like the old days. Where's JR when you need crotchety?

[BLS]

In NFHS rules, I couldn't find the allowance for suspending a violation ruling "when, before 3 seconds, an offensive player starts to move to leave the restricted area". There is only an allowance for players moving to try for goal.

Am I missing something in NFHS?

[wanja]

Originally Posted by BLS

In NFHS rules, I couldn't find the allowance for suspending a violation ruling "when, before 3 seconds, an offensive player starts to move to leave the restricted area". There is only an allowance for players moving to try for goal.

Good catch.

FIBA rules state that:

"Allowances must be made for a player whom makes an attempt to leave the restricted area."

NBA rules state that:
"If he passes off and immediately makes a move out of the lane, there should be no whistle."

The NCAA issue of concern statement includes:

"A three second count shall be suspended when a player who has been in the lane for fewer than three seconds has made a conscientious effort to leave the lane"


There is no allowance for starting to leave the restricted area under NFHS and WNBA rules. I've edited the original post accordingly.

As a practical matter, if a player starts to leave the area before three seconds and directly leaves, I am unlikely to call a violation. When the timing is so close, the benefit of the doubt goes for a no call.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BLS

In NFHS rules, I couldn't find the allowance for suspending a violation ruling "when, before 3 seconds, an offensive player starts to move to leave the restricted area". There is only an allowance for players moving to try for goal.

Am I missing something in NFHS?

No, you're not. And if you look up at the article wanja posted, the mention of suspending the count while leaving the restricted area is under "NCAA Areas of Concern".

Now, that said, I've always included that line of thinking in NFHS games. I cannot remember if it is an actual interp, or if it was simply an example given to me by a more experienced official, but I was told to suspend the count in the case of an offensive player trying to get out of the lane, and is blocked by a defensive screener or "traffic". It doesn't seem fair (damn, now I'm using that word...) to call the violation when the player is actually trying to get out and cannot due to actions by the defense. Does anyone remember if they've seen that interp somewhere?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Just like the old days. Where's JR when you need crotchety?

Stfu.

(How's that? I'm just trying to channel JR.)

Ahhh, I forsee some howler monkeys going nuts this year. Going to be a lovely season.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Ahhh, I forsee some howler monkeys going nuts this year. Going to be a lovely season.

Why? Specifically why based on this thread? The rule hasn't changed in FED. Why should this year be any different than previous years?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why? Specifically why based on this thread? The rule hasn't changed in FED. Why should this year be any different than previous years?

Exactly. I'll lay money that enforcement won't change a bit either.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Exactly. I'll lay money that enforcement won't change a bit either.

BITS - get with Nevada on this!

Hey, incidentally, where is Nevada? Seems like he hasn't chimed in for a while..... just sayin.

Originally Posted by Smitty

Why? Specifically why based on this thread? The rule hasn't changed in FED. Why should this year be any different than previous years?

Why? It may depend on the assigners/evaluators like someone else on the thread said. There might be some serious inconsistencies in enforcement and you'll have the howler monkeys asking if we've read the POE's for this year. The varsity howler monkeys may not be that bad, but I forsee the sub-varsity ones being overbearing about this. (Trust me, I've seen some sub-varsity coaches in football and basketball who make horrible varsity wannabes)

[fiasco]

This is one of the rules that really irks me when it comes to assigners/interpreters. Every association I've been involved with, assigners/interpreters hate seeing it called. I was told last year that not only do I now have to be lenient when it comes to players in the lane, but if I don't give them a few verbal warnings before calling 3 seconds on them, I'm going to be docked in my evaluations.