Closely Guarded Dilemma

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Also, there is a specific mention in the rules that the count stops once the dribbler gets head and shoulders past the defender on a drive to the basket. Why isn't the count stopped if the same thing happens in all other dribbling and guarding situations?

I understand the phrase "in the path" is used in the definition of guarding, but I'm not sure we should get too literal in it's use without additional case plays or guidance.

The rule does not state direction ie on a drive to the basket. The rule states :

A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulder past the defensive player." Nothing about direction or PATH or any other words

Also once as Situation 9.10.1.C says once LGP has been established, movemnet does not matter, so the count starts the second offensive is facing defender who has his/her 2 feet planted, ans is within the 6 foot circle. They could dance and go any direction the count continues as long as the offensive player and defender remain with 6 feet and the LGP requirement spelt out in 9.10.1C has been initially obtained. (will not talk about defender 2 taking over)

Please see previous thread

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

The rule does not state direction ie on a drive to the basket. The rule states :

A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulder past the defensive player." Nothing about direction or PATH

Well, crap, you're right - there goes one of my arguments. Maybe I should just stay out of this. Well, ok, maybe not.

Does this section then provide the basis for not counting in the OP? Since the defender trailed the dribbler, was the dribbler's head and shoulders past the defender, and thus the count ends?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, crap, you're right - there goes one of my arguments. Maybe I should just stay out of this. Well, ok, maybe not.

Does this section then provide the basis for not counting in the OP? Since the defender trailed the dribbler, was the dribbler's head and shoulders past the defender, and thus the count ends?

Well, I think "on a drive to the basket" is clearly the intent of the rule, otherwise all a dribbler would have to do to end the count would be start heading towards the division line.

If I'm defending a dribbler, and he's heading towards a sideline or the division line, I'm likely to let him and just shadow him that direction.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well, I think "on a drive to the basket" is clearly the intent of the rule, otherwise all a dribbler would have to do to end the count would be start heading towards the division line.

And if they manage to get more than 6 feet away from the defender, they would be successful in stopping the count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

And if they manage to get more than 6 feet away from the defender, they would be successful in stopping the count.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

there wasn't nearly enough name calling here

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Thank you Captain Obvious.

there wasn't nearly enough name calling here

I feel better now.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well, I think "on a drive to the basket" is clearly the intent of the rule, otherwise all a dribbler would have to do to end the count would be start heading towards the division line.

If I'm defending a dribbler, and he's heading towards a sideline or the division line, I'm likely to let him and just shadow him that direction.

While that may be the primary intent, I don't think it is the only intent.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While that may be the primary intent, I don't think it is the only intent.

I'll agree there are other situations, but I think the large majority of them involve at least advancing the ball towards the basket.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

The rule does not state direction ie on a drive to the basket. The rule states :

A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulder past the defensive player." Nothing about direction or PATH or any other words

How do you define getting the head/shoulder past the defender then? Your interpratation breaks down with this citation. Path is implied otherwise there would be no point to the rule...."past the defensive player" relative to what?

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Also once as Situation 9.10.1.C says once LGP has been established, movemnet does not matter, so the count starts the second offensive is facing defender who has his/her 2 feet planted, ans is within the 6 foot circle. They could dance and go any direction the count continues as long as the offensive player and defender remain with 6 feet and the LGP requirement spelt out in 9.10.1C has been initially obtained. (will not talk about defender 2 taking over)

Please see previous thread

Except that the rule you just cited says that the count shall stop....and it doesn't say anything about losing LGP.