Rec league mtg report

[Nevadaref]

No, Camron, I didn't miss that Mark wrote that most of his refs were in HS, nor did I miss that most of the players were in elementary school.

Give me someone else some FREAKIN' credit for once!

As to your point, even if those officials only have a few games under their belts, that's likely more than any of those board members have.

I still don't agree with the entire concept of this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No, Camron, I didn't miss that Mark wrote that most of his refs were in HS, nor did I miss that most of the players were in elementary school.

Give me someone else some FREAKIN' credit for once!

I tried that but you're overdrawn.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

As to your point, even if those officials only have a few games under their belts, that's likely more than any of those board members have.

Again, you miss the point.

Whether it is 5, 10, or 20 games under their belt with none for the league admins, those league administrators, having run the league for years and dealt with all the personalities that come with it, will generaly have far more experience in recognizing and dealing with unsportsmanlike behavior. That is why they are there. New referees are not automaticlally endowed with great people skills or good judgement just because they put on a whistle....particularly if they are 15 years old.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I still don't agree with the entire concept of this.

[CoachCER]

Our program has similar policies. In theory, at the lower age groups where we do use high school age referees, any ejection would be reviewed, and my board would take unput from the site supervisor. That has happened two times, and both ejections were rubber stamped by the board.
Ejections/technicals from our experienced referees (grades 5th+) are not subject to review.

We have the same policy regarding applying for reinstatement if a coach was suspended the previous year. That has only happened once, and if the coach would have applied the following year, he would have been rejected.

I remember my very first T. It was when I was working a 7th grade girls game when I was a junior in high school. I T'd up the visiting coach (from a Catholic parochial school) who flat-out said "You f**king suck, ref" to my face after a call went against her team. I wasn't the only one who heard it, because you should have seen the shocked looks on the players' faces on the bench. After the game, she "complained" to the home team's (a Lutheran parochial school) prinicipal/AD/boys coach that she didn't deserve the T. When the principal asked what she said, I repeated it word for word. Almost gave the guy a heart attack.

A couple days later, my HS principal (public school) got a call from the Catholic priest who was the visiting coach's principal, and wanted a conference with me about what happened. Quite an interesting meeting (my principal, the priest, and our varsity basketball coach who "assigned" me to that game), because when I repeated the coach's words, my principal said "wow, if our coach had said that, I would hope his a** was ejected from the game!" (Should have seen our varsity coach's reaction to that, LOL!) The priest said the coach denied using the F-bomb. I said, if I was "hearing" it, how come the players reacted to it too? Next time I had the same teams, word got into the circles that the coach had coached her last game.

I asked my varsity coach (I didn't play, so therefore he thought of having me go over and work because he knew I was interested in officiating) why the priest wanted to "verify" this load of crap. Coach (he was a high school football official at the time) told me they probably wanted to "rescind" the T so it wouldn't be on the poor gal's record or whatever, but since I backed my story up well, he said doubted the priest would go easy on her. I guess that was very prophetic.

[Adam]

Worked a tourney last weekend, varsity level. Player is getting pissy about what he thinks are missed calls, and I warn him to knock it off. A few minutes later I call him for a shooting foul and as I walk by him to report, I hear "fu#king 5hit." Call the T (automatic two points and the ball in this tourney), the coach calls me over to ask so I tell him.

Later in the same game, the same player drops the bomb on one of my partners. 2nd T.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

I T'd up the visiting coach (from a Catholic parochial school) who flat-out said "You f**king suck, ref" to my face after a call went against her team. I wasn't the only one who heard it, because you should have seen the shocked looks on the players' faces on the bench. After the game, she "complained" to the home team's (a Lutheran parochial school) prinicipal/AD/boys coach that she didn't deserve the T. When the principal asked what she said, I repeated it word for word. Almost gave the guy a heart attack.

This reminds me of a joke:

A crusty old man walks into the local church and says to the secretary, "I would like to join this damn church." The astonished woman replies, "I beg your pardon, sir. I must have misunderstood you. What did you say?" "Listen up, damn it. I said I want to join this damn church!" "I'm very sorry sir, but that kind of language is not tolerated in this church." The secretary leaves her desk and goes into the pastor's study to inform him of her situation. The pastor agrees that the secretary does not have to listen to that foul language. They both return to her office, and the pastor asks the old geezer, "Sir, what seems to be the problem here?" "There is no damn problem," the man says. "I just won $200 million in the damn lottery, and I want to join this damn church to get rid of some of this damn money."
"I see," said the pastor. "And is this b*tch giving you a hard time?"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again, you miss the point.

Whether it is 5, 10, or 20 games under their belt with none for the league admins, those league administrators, having run the league for years and dealt with all the personalities that come with it, will generaly have far more experience in recognizing and dealing with unsportsmanlike behavior. That is why they are there. New referees are not automaticlally endowed with great people skills or good judgement just because they put on a whistle....particularly if they are 15 years old.

Just adding one more thought to my prior post...

This entire discussion is about whether league administrators should have the authrority to set aside a suspension imposed by league rules....not to overturn a call made on the floor. I'd say that ANY level, that is entirely within the scope of the league's authority to do so. The game official has no jurisdiction over league penalties...only in-game penalties. In fact, the state of Oregon, which automatically suspends anyone ejected from a HS game, allows an appeal of the suspension. That appeal is heard by the OSAA and the commissioner of the assigning association. 99% of the time the suspension is upheld, but, on occassion, it is overturned.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I still don't agree with the entire concept of this.

Well, you ain't in charge.