NBA playoffs (NBA haters stay away)

Originally Posted by mbyron

Where was the L? Was that the pass that was made from way in the backcourt? Weren't the T and C in the backcourt at the time?

From what the tv showed (nothing like seeing it live) the L was on the endline at A. I thought it was a 1 on 1 matchup in the b/c so the C should've been in the front court. Not sure though, the camera don't show us too often.
Just thought it was strange to see the L come off the endline & count it.

[ronald]

For the disbeliever.

someone pointed out how it works. any play that the evaluator can not determine with certainty goes to the official. In other words, any call that is iffy, benefit of doubt to official.

The game is scored not an individual ref. I think you know that.

There is no flaw in the system. The evaluators review every second of a game. They see every call that was made and missed. They score it.

For you it might be flawed based on how they score it. For example, A1 goes for a shot is in the air, and B1 taps A1 on the hip or knee. If you called a foul, good job, correct call as this is not a basketball play and is an automatic call. If you passed on it, incorrect call.

A1 head fakes, B1 takes fake and goes up, A1 even initiates contact.

No call, incorrect.
Foul on defense, correct.
Foul on offense, incorrect.

Miss a travel, incorrect call
Call a travel that is not a travel, incorrect call.
Oh, that looked strange, must be a travel. Repaly shows that player stepped with non-pivot foot picked up his pivot foot and shoot. Looked ugly but legal. College ref called travel, incorrect call. Player did not travel. Don't guess a travel. Replay does not lie.

A1 goes up and islightly tapped on head by defender but plays through it and lays it in. Foul, Correct call. No harm no foul, incorrect call.

Hope that gives you an idea of how they are evaluating plays. Of course, you may argue they are wrong but I believe John Adams buys into it and PAC ten officials will as that is how they are going to be evaluated.

[ronald]

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

Video breakdown

19:10 As the SMU offensive player takes the ball to the rim, the secondary defender #42 Gonzaga jumps into the offensive player and although the block is clean, this body contact is excessive, no call incorrect.

Video does not lie. It will make you a better referee.

14:19 Positive example of allowing the develop and finish on this play at the rim. Correct call.

10:30 Watch during this rebounding action as the SMU defender #50 and GU offensive player #42 go after a loose ball, the SMU defender #50 literally grabs with "2 hands" asn pulls #42 to the side in attempt to secure the ball, a loose ball rebounding foul is necessary, no call incorrect.

See how it works. Review your game, be honest and make progress.

NBA refs do this. They are not perfect but must get in the mid to high 90's or they do not stay around. 90% is not good enough for them

[Nevadaref]

Thanks for verifying that this review process is total BS.
The NBA philosophy of OVER-penalizing the defense is evident.

Originally Posted by ronald

For the disbeliever.

someone pointed out how it works. any play that the evaluator can not determine with certainty goes to the official. In other words, any call that is iffy, benefit of doubt to official.

The game is scored not an individual ref. I think you know that.

There is no flaw in the system. The evaluators review every second of a game. They see every call that was made and missed. They score it.

For you it might be flawed based on how they score it. For example, A1 goes for a shot is in the air, and B1 taps A1 on the hip or knee. If you called a foul, good job, correct call as this is not a basketball play and is an automatic call. If you passed on it, incorrect call.

A1 head fakes, B1 takes fake and goes up, A1 even initiates contact.

No call, incorrect.
Foul on defense, correct.
Foul on offense, incorrect.

Miss a travel, incorrect call
Call a travel that is not a travel, incorrect call.
Oh, that looked strange, must be a travel. Repaly shows that player stepped with non-pivot foot picked up his pivot foot and shoot. Looked ugly but legal. College ref called travel, incorrect call. Player did not travel. Don't guess a travel. Replay does not lie.

A1 goes up and islightly tapped on head by defender but plays through it and lays it in. Foul, Correct call. No harm no foul, incorrect call.

Hope that gives you an idea of how they are evaluating plays. Of course, you may argue they are wrong but I believe John Adams buys into it and PAC ten officials will as that is how they are going to be evaluated.

Originally Posted by ronald

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

Video breakdown

19:10 As the SMU offensive player takes the ball to the rim, the secondary defender #42 Gonzaga jumps into the offensive player and although the block is clean, this body contact is excessive, no call incorrect.

Video does not lie. It will make you a better referee.

14:19 Positive example of allowing the develop and finish on this play at the rim. Correct call.

10:30 Watch during this rebounding action as the SMU defender #50 and GU offensive player #42 go after a loose ball, the SMU defender #50 literally grabs with "2 hands" asn pulls #42 to the side in attempt to secure the ball, a loose ball rebounding foul is necessary, no call incorrect.

See how it works. Review your game, be honest and make progress.

NBA refs do this. They are not perfect but must get in the mid to high 90's or they do not stay around. 90% is not good enough for them

When A1 initiates contact, B1 shouldn't be penalized. That's just wrong.

Who decides if contact is incidental or excessive? That's in the eye of the beholder. Most people feel that some contact with the body is acceptable when the shot is blocked cleanly up top.

Is touching someone on the knee a foul?

It seems that the NBA wants a foul called even when the contact does NOT place the player at a disadvantage. How wonderful.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by CLH

If a fast break starts in a team’s backcourt and a defender fouls any offensive player when the team is going to score an easy basket, a clear path foul has occurred. When the foul happens, no defender can be ahead of the ball where he could establish a position between the ball and the basket.

**2 shots and the ball side out

Not quite but close...Here is the exact rule...

The ball and an offensive player must be positioned between the tip-of-circle extended in the backcourt and the basket in the frontcourt, with no defender between the ball and the basket when the personal foul occurs.

There must be team possession and the new play must originate in
the backcourt, including throw-ins, and the offended team must be deprived of an opportunity to score an uncontested basket

[Nevadaref]

I see that Boston employed their previously discussed strategy of "wrapping up" the opponent in fouling near the end of the game. They did this with under ten seconds remaining while ahead by three in order to prevent an Orlando player from attempting a game-tying three point shot.

Did the NBA officials call anything other than a normal foul? Nope.

Boston is allowed to cheat and benefit from it.

[refguy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I see that Boston employed their previously discussed strategy of "wrapping up" the opponent in fouling near the end of the game. They did this with under ten seconds remaining while ahead by three in order to prevent an Orlando player from attempting a game-tying three point shot.

Did the NBA officials call anything other than a normal foul? Nope.

Boston is allowed to cheat and benefit from it.

It's not cheating when by rule, they couldn't have called anything else. There is is no intentional foul in the NBA. How many times have we seen Shaq wrapped up like that for a common foul? I really think it would improve their game to add an intentional foul to the book. I'll never understand why it's not there. They want the most entertaining product and yet players are allowed to do that within the rules with no additional penalty. It makes for far too many plays where the defender doesn't even try to play defense legally. It could be such a beautiful game more often and more continuously. Instead, it's - oops, my man just beat me, let me wrap him up. Ridiculous.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by ronald

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

To back up what others have said: either you are only "grading" a small portion of the game, or missing quite a bit. In that game, there were 28 personal fouls called. That means that there were only 13 no-calls for fouls, violations, and no-calls for violations. That seems a bit low for a 40 minute game.

[icallfouls]

I hope that when they were evaluating the number of plays correct, that the rule book allows a certain amount of contact to be ruled as incidental.

John Adams is going to adopt alot of the philosophies used by the NBA when it comes to trying to get their officials as proficient as possible. He is being paid to be sure that the NCAA doesn't have to answer these type of NBA conspiracy theory calls.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

John Adams is going to adopt alot of the philosophies used by the NBA when it comes to trying to get their officials as proficient as possible. He is being paid to be sure that the NCAA doesn't have to answer these type of NBA conspiracy theory calls.

These two sentences don't make sense together. If the NBA has problems every year with "conspiracy theories", then why would the NCAA adopt the officiating philosophies of the NBA? Especially if you're trying to avoid those conspiracy theories?

[DonInKansas]

So um....that LeBron guy's pretty good.

[dsturdy5]

I missed the game, can someone explain to me what happened with the Mo Williams/Dwight Howard play? It looked like Williams threw the ball at Howard after Howard blocked a shot on a fast break. The lead was right there and saw the whole thing, no technical, nothing. Any idea why?

[APG]

Originally Posted by dsturdy5

I missed the game, can someone explain to me what happened with the Mo Williams/Dwight Howard play? It looked like Williams threw the ball at Howard after Howard blocked a shot on a fast break. The lead was right there and saw the whole thing, no technical, nothing. Any idea why?

I'm pretty sure the lead didn't see the play cause it was a no-brainer technical foul. In fact, I think they even asked the officials about it during the following commercial break, and they as much admitted to that.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by dsturdy5

I missed the game, can someone explain to me what happened with the Mo Williams/Dwight Howard play? It looked like Williams threw the ball at Howard after Howard blocked a shot on a fast break. The lead was right there and saw the whole thing, no technical, nothing. Any idea why?

The L and C had a double whistle on the foul on Lebron James. Williams and Howard were on the endline when williams threw the ball at Howard. Both calling officials were focused on the foul and were not looking at the players on the baseline. That left the trail who was out of our picture. I can only imagine that he did not see it either because it was a no brainer. A lesson for all officials about not losing your focus after the whistle.

[dsturdy5]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm pretty sure the lead didn't see the play cause it was a no-brainer technical foul. In fact, I think they even asked the officials about it during the following commercial break, and they as much admitted to that.

Thanks. Like I said, I missed the game so didn't hear that.