NBA playoffs (NBA haters stay away)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Not that I'm hating, but did anybody see the GT/BI called by the L early in the 1Q of the Cavs games?
I believe it was an alley-oop pass to James.
Just thought it was odd to be called from that position. Thoughts?

Where was the L? Was that the pass that was made from way in the backcourt? Weren't the T and C in the backcourt at the time?

Originally Posted by mbyron

Where was the L? Was that the pass that was made from way in the backcourt? Weren't the T and C in the backcourt at the time?

From what the tv showed (nothing like seeing it live) the L was on the endline at A. I thought it was a 1 on 1 matchup in the b/c so the C should've been in the front court. Not sure though, the camera don't show us too often.
Just thought it was strange to see the L come off the endline & count it.

[ronald]

For the disbeliever.

someone pointed out how it works. any play that the evaluator can not determine with certainty goes to the official. In other words, any call that is iffy, benefit of doubt to official.

The game is scored not an individual ref. I think you know that.

There is no flaw in the system. The evaluators review every second of a game. They see every call that was made and missed. They score it.

For you it might be flawed based on how they score it. For example, A1 goes for a shot is in the air, and B1 taps A1 on the hip or knee. If you called a foul, good job, correct call as this is not a basketball play and is an automatic call. If you passed on it, incorrect call.

A1 head fakes, B1 takes fake and goes up, A1 even initiates contact.

No call, incorrect.
Foul on defense, correct.
Foul on offense, incorrect.

Miss a travel, incorrect call
Call a travel that is not a travel, incorrect call.
Oh, that looked strange, must be a travel. Repaly shows that player stepped with non-pivot foot picked up his pivot foot and shoot. Looked ugly but legal. College ref called travel, incorrect call. Player did not travel. Don't guess a travel. Replay does not lie.

A1 goes up and islightly tapped on head by defender but plays through it and lays it in. Foul, Correct call. No harm no foul, incorrect call.

Hope that gives you an idea of how they are evaluating plays. Of course, you may argue they are wrong but I believe John Adams buys into it and PAC ten officials will as that is how they are going to be evaluated.

[ronald]

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

Video breakdown

19:10 As the SMU offensive player takes the ball to the rim, the secondary defender #42 Gonzaga jumps into the offensive player and although the block is clean, this body contact is excessive, no call incorrect.

Video does not lie. It will make you a better referee.

14:19 Positive example of allowing the develop and finish on this play at the rim. Correct call.

10:30 Watch during this rebounding action as the SMU defender #50 and GU offensive player #42 go after a loose ball, the SMU defender #50 literally grabs with "2 hands" asn pulls #42 to the side in attempt to secure the ball, a loose ball rebounding foul is necessary, no call incorrect.

See how it works. Review your game, be honest and make progress.

NBA refs do this. They are not perfect but must get in the mid to high 90's or they do not stay around. 90% is not good enough for them

[Nevadaref]

Thanks for verifying that this review process is total BS.
The NBA philosophy of OVER-penalizing the defense is evident.

Originally Posted by ronald

For the disbeliever.

someone pointed out how it works. any play that the evaluator can not determine with certainty goes to the official. In other words, any call that is iffy, benefit of doubt to official.

The game is scored not an individual ref. I think you know that.

There is no flaw in the system. The evaluators review every second of a game. They see every call that was made and missed. They score it.

For you it might be flawed based on how they score it. For example, A1 goes for a shot is in the air, and B1 taps A1 on the hip or knee. If you called a foul, good job, correct call as this is not a basketball play and is an automatic call. If you passed on it, incorrect call.

A1 head fakes, B1 takes fake and goes up, A1 even initiates contact.

No call, incorrect.
Foul on defense, correct.
Foul on offense, incorrect.

Miss a travel, incorrect call
Call a travel that is not a travel, incorrect call.
Oh, that looked strange, must be a travel. Repaly shows that player stepped with non-pivot foot picked up his pivot foot and shoot. Looked ugly but legal. College ref called travel, incorrect call. Player did not travel. Don't guess a travel. Replay does not lie.

A1 goes up and islightly tapped on head by defender but plays through it and lays it in. Foul, Correct call. No harm no foul, incorrect call.

Hope that gives you an idea of how they are evaluating plays. Of course, you may argue they are wrong but I believe John Adams buys into it and PAC ten officials will as that is how they are going to be evaluated.

Originally Posted by ronald

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

Video breakdown

19:10 As the SMU offensive player takes the ball to the rim, the secondary defender #42 Gonzaga jumps into the offensive player and although the block is clean, this body contact is excessive, no call incorrect.

Video does not lie. It will make you a better referee.

14:19 Positive example of allowing the develop and finish on this play at the rim. Correct call.

10:30 Watch during this rebounding action as the SMU defender #50 and GU offensive player #42 go after a loose ball, the SMU defender #50 literally grabs with "2 hands" asn pulls #42 to the side in attempt to secure the ball, a loose ball rebounding foul is necessary, no call incorrect.

See how it works. Review your game, be honest and make progress.

NBA refs do this. They are not perfect but must get in the mid to high 90's or they do not stay around. 90% is not good enough for them

When A1 initiates contact, B1 shouldn't be penalized. That's just wrong.

Who decides if contact is incidental or excessive? That's in the eye of the beholder. Most people feel that some contact with the body is acceptable when the shot is blocked cleanly up top.

Is touching someone on the knee a foul?

It seems that the NBA wants a foul called even when the contact does NOT place the player at a disadvantage. How wonderful.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by ronald

Well,

From the final of the WCC championship, they missed 14 out of 41. They got 27 out of 41 correct. 65%.

To back up what others have said: either you are only "grading" a small portion of the game, or missing quite a bit. In that game, there were 28 personal fouls called. That means that there were only 13 no-calls for fouls, violations, and no-calls for violations. That seems a bit low for a 40 minute game.

[icallfouls]

I hope that when they were evaluating the number of plays correct, that the rule book allows a certain amount of contact to be ruled as incidental.

John Adams is going to adopt alot of the philosophies used by the NBA when it comes to trying to get their officials as proficient as possible. He is being paid to be sure that the NCAA doesn't have to answer these type of NBA conspiracy theory calls.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

John Adams is going to adopt alot of the philosophies used by the NBA when it comes to trying to get their officials as proficient as possible. He is being paid to be sure that the NCAA doesn't have to answer these type of NBA conspiracy theory calls.

These two sentences don't make sense together. If the NBA has problems every year with "conspiracy theories", then why would the NCAA adopt the officiating philosophies of the NBA? Especially if you're trying to avoid those conspiracy theories?

[DonInKansas]

So um....that LeBron guy's pretty good.

[dsturdy5]

I missed the game, can someone explain to me what happened with the Mo Williams/Dwight Howard play? It looked like Williams threw the ball at Howard after Howard blocked a shot on a fast break. The lead was right there and saw the whole thing, no technical, nothing. Any idea why?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ronald

NBA refs do this. They are not perfect but must get in the mid to high 90's or they do not stay around. 90% is not good enough for them

You can get off your soapbox now. Even with the best officials in the NBA working the postseason games, the league office is frequently announcing that their decisions are incorrect. There is no way that they are grading out in the mid to high 90s IN THE VIEW OF THEIR OWN REVIEWERS.

The league office simply refuses to back its officials as yet another T was declared incorrect and rescinded today.

NBA rescinds technical foul on Orlando Magic's Dwight Howard in Eastern Conference Finals - ESPN

The NBA announced Wednesday that it has rescinded Howard's sixth technical foul of the playoffs, which he was given for taunting Anderson Varejao after a layup in the fourth quarter of the Magic's 116-114 overtime victory Tuesday night. Cleveland's forward had draped his arms around Howard in a failed attempt to stop him from scoring.
Howard's total of technicals for the postseason is thus back down to five.


This was one of several technical fouls revoked by the league office this postseason. Denver's Kenyon Martin is the most prominent example, with three of his six playoff technicals rescinded already.

[tomegun]

This is the worst I've seen the officials in the NBA. It could be a case of being told to do one thing and then when they do that the league changes the decision. Regardless, the playoffs aren't shaping up the way Stern wants them to.

On a side note, one of my posts was deleted and I didn't say anything offensive. Is it like that now or did it have something to do with having a quote in my post?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by tomegun

On a side note, one of my posts was deleted and I didn't say anything offensive. Is it like that now or did it have something to do with having a quote in my post?

The moderators on our forum do a great job and they show more patience than I do.

When I have to get involved (as I did today) I am not going to pick through every post -- the initial one that started a turmoil and all responses -- to see which are ok and which are not. If anything looks off-topic and/or related to the first post that started everything, it's going.

Fortunately, I don't have to get involved that often

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Brad

The moderators on our forum do a great job and they show more patience than I do.

When I have to get involved (as I did today) I am not going to pick through every post -- the initial one that started a turmoil and all responses -- to see which are ok and which are not. If anything looks off-topic and/or related to the first post that started everything, it's going.

Fortunately, I don't have to get involved that often

Brad, I can understand that and now I know. I can see how what I said, including the quote, could continue what was started. Also, I asked Nevada the question and didn't look at the thread again until my post above.

[grunewar]

Thoughts by Derek Fisher:

"We'll go to Denver (Friday for Game 6), and the game will be called differently. That's just the way it is. I mean, in high school, you go across town, and you know you aren't getting calls. At the highest level of the sport, why would it be any different?"

Rest of the article:

Lakers, Nuggets downplay refs' whistles ahead of Game 6 - USATODAY.com