Rules changes Posted

[Nevadaref]

The NFHS changes were posted this morning. They weren't up last night. I looked.
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My thoughts:

"During state championship series contests,..."

What does that mean? Does the inclusion of the word series mean that every postseason game gets included in this rule because they are all part of the series which leads to the state championship game?

Is it only the final X number of teams that gather at the last playing site? Some states bring 16 teams to one location, some only eight, mine only four, and probably some just match the final two somewhere.

I wish that the NFHS has specified ONLY the State FINAL.

Also, I agree with Snaqs about the FT lane space foot placement (9-1-3g). Why place some arbitrary restriction on these players that is difficult to enforce consistently. How near is near? Two inches? One foot? Six inches?

That is clearly a new ruling and not an editorial change. Does the FT shooter also have to put at least one foot near the FT line when attempting the try or can he stand back near the top of the semi-circle?

BTW it looks as if someone finally took note of my posts about players in marked lane spaces being able to touch the floor inside the lane with their hands as long as their feet remain outside of the boundary and within the marked lane space. Being in push-up position along the lane is now illegal.
Is there any doubt that my mind was responsible for someone proposing 9-1-3d?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

NFHS 2008-09 R9-S1-3g: "A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone."


NFHS 2009-10 R9-S1-3g: Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.


This change is just absolute nonsense.

MTD, Sr.

[26 Year Gap]

I guess they listened to the fans. 3 seconds is a POE.

[Kelvin green]

Of all the things....

You think they would look at the things that actually make a difference in the game?

I'm impresses that we can use the red light...

Now what the Heck did I miss? Where did this imaginary rectangle come from that is only an editorial change?

I never knew that a person left the lane space when they touched outside the lane space... what the heck does leaving the lane space mean?

You know I have watched and refereed basketball for a long time, although I have no clue what means foot near outer edge means, it is a 36in deep space. is that 4 inches? is it 6 inches? is it 12?... I cant recall how long it has been since I have seen someone stand back from the FT line so far that this would be an issue (and then who cares)

Lets fix the things that need to be really fixed...

Although there are no explanatons for the POE I can just see the one liners

Travelling- Jump stops mean both feet land together and when a player catches the ball with both feet on the ground and the player hops and lands with both feet again it is a travel.

Closely Guarded means 6 feet not three....includes both dribbling and holding the ball, there is no such thing as he has to be out playing aggessive defens to have a count


Three seconds- refs have to learn to count to 3 and we dont care if a person is straddling the FT line, one foot in the lane for more than 3 seconds gains an advantage

Block Charge- the defensive player does not have to be set- Not every blco charge is a block-do not penalize good defense because the offense it out of control

FT administration Lets see we shoot one shot/one and one/ or two... they palyers line up and they cant delay But gee that would be a delay of game thing... Maybe it is because we dont bouce the ball high enough, or what... Maybe there are some areas but is this worth the ink it is written on or what did I miss?

[Nevadaref]

Come on, Kelvin, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

[amusedofficial]

Looks to me like they went out for refreshing cocktails before the final vote.

What on earth is a "state championship series?" As if high schools are in best-of-7. I see that as meaning all post-season.

What in god's creation is "near?" Is it anything like being an "almost" virgin?

What the $@!!# is the rectangle?

And what and were are the standards for replay? Who controls the image? No standardization of angles? Is some Mommy's video cam thrust in your face after the final horn (excuse me, I meant LED, if available) sufficient to rule on a last shot? Are the angles of the cameras given de facto preference over experienced officials who know and anticipate the last shot and position themselves accordingly?

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

What the $@!!# is the rectangle?

Careful there buddy...you might get some very anal people upset with that combination.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

What the $@!!# is the rectangle?

Clarified that the imaginary rectangle designates the area to be used for time-outs.

NFHS 1-13-3: The bench area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

NFHS 5-12-5: The 60-second time-out conference with team members shall be conducted within the confines of the bench area. Players shall remain standing within the confines of the bench area during a 30-second time-out.

What needed clarification ???

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

I never knew that a person left the lane space when they touched outside the lane space... what the heck does leaving the lane space mean?

So last year if a player's feet didn't break the plane of a marked lane space but he put his hand on the ground outside of the space he had violated?

[BillyMac]

2009-10 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

2-2-1 Note New: During state championship series contests, game or replay officials are permitted to use a replay monitor to determine when a try for goal at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period (0:00 on the game clock) should be counted, and if so, determine if it is a two- or a three-point goal.

5-6-2: When a red light behind the backboard or an LED light on the backboard is present, it is permitted to signal the expiration of time in the quarter/extra period. If no red/LED light is present, the audible timer’s
signal will continue to signal the expiration of time.

2009-10 NFHS MAJOR EDITORIAL CHANGES

1-13-3, 5-12-5: Clarified that the imaginary rectangle designates the area to be used for time-outs.

2-12-5 Note New: A note was added to clarify when the 20-second interval begins to replace an injured player.

3-7: Clarified that any item, in the referee’s judgment, that constitutes a safety concern is not permitted.

9-1-3d: Clarified that a player leaves a marked lane space when he or she contacts any part of the court outside the marked lane space (36 inches by 36 inches).

9-1-3g: Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So last year if a player's feet didn't break the plane of a marked lane space but he put his hand on the ground outside of the space he had violated?

By the wording of the rule, no. That is a point that I have made on this forum several times in the past. The rule very clearly only restricted the player's feet. There was no previous definition of "leaving a marked lane-space." If you do a search of the past threads, you can find one of our discussions on this.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Rough play isn't a POE this year? Isn't this the first year in quite a few (i seem to remember it from at least the last 3 or 4) that it hasn't been a POE?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe it is, but they can't list it in the changes.

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

Exactly. So back to my original question. When was the last time rough play WASN'T a POE?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Exactly. So back to my original question. When was the last time rough play WASN'T a POE?

2006-07 Points of Emphasis
1. Concussions
2. Uniforms
3. Time-outs
4. Intentional Fouls (did NOT mention "rough play" in the paragraph)
5. Rules Enforcement/Proper Signal Use


Prior to that 2004-05 when the POEs were:
1. Closely Guarded
2. Time-out Administration
3. Legal Player Positioning
4. Specific Unsporting Acts


Bet you were thinking that it had been a lot longer than that, huh?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

I was being facetious.