3 crew-v- 2 crew

[CoachP]

From my area....23 team conference (3 divisions).

Column: Tri-Valley Conference will go to two officials next season - MLive.com

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by CoachP

From my area....23 team conference (3 divisions).

Column: Tri-Valley Conference will go to two officials next season - MLive.com

Horse manure reasoning is being used by that conference. I worked one GV game this past season. It was due to a late season addition to the home team's schedule. The calls that I remember the HC from the visiting team complained about would have come from the C had we had one that night. So, I have a hard time believing that a 2 person game in general is the same for all involved that a 3 person game would be.

[Nevadaref]

I still say that the problem lies here:
"Each official working a TVC game in a three-man crew receives $60. With boys and girls varsity games on the same night, the home school pays six officials $360. Officials working in a two-man crew receive $65, but because just four officials would work the two games, it would cost schools only $260."

What group of officials would accept only $5 more to work the game 2-man?

These associations need to take a serious look at their fee structure: Saginaw Officials Association, the Midland Officials Association, the Heart of Michigan Officials Association and the Bay Metro Officials Association.

2-man is FAR more difficult and deserves a greater compensation difference than that. In fact, if the fee was $80 per official in the 2-man system, then the schools probably wouldn't be looking at this as a money saving option. The difference would be negligible. IMO these groups are suffering for their mistake of setting or allowing their 2-man fee to be set too low.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I still say that the problem lies here:

What group of officials would accept only $5 more to work the game 2-man?

These associations need to take a serious look at their fee structure: Saginaw Officials Association, the Midland Officials Association, the Heart of Michigan Officials Association and the Bay Metro Officials Association.

IMO these groups are suffering for their mistake of setting or allowing their 2-man fee to be set too low.

FWIW in our state, the officials associations do not set the fee, it is set by the State. The committee that votes to set the fees, 3 years at a time, is populated by ADs and Principles. there are no officials that have a vote.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

FWIW in our state, the officials associations do not set the fee, it is set by the State. The committee that votes to set the fees, 3 years at a time, is populated by ADs and Principles. there are no officials that have a vote.

Sounds like you are under control of the dark side. Use the force ref2. Most people don't appreciate what an official actually goes through unless they have call a game themselves. Get all thoes board members on the court and see how they feel after running a high level 2 crew game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

FWIW in our state, the officials associations do not set the fee, it is set by the State. The committee that votes to set the fees, 3 years at a time, is populated by ADs and Principles. there are no officials that have a vote.

Then the officials in your state need to get together and take a stand if they don't like the make-up of that committee or the fees that it sets.

I do like the idea of telling the committee members to get out there and work the games themselves!

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then the officials in your state need to get together and take a stand if they don't like the make-up of that committee or the fees that it sets.

I do like the idea of telling the committee members to get out there and work the games themselves!

No one has a vote except the Schools.

You say the officials need to get together and take a stand. Have you ever met a more independent, hard to lead, group of people than sports officials?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

No one has a vote except the Schools.

You say the officials need to get together and take a stand. Have you ever met a more independent, hard to lead, group of people than sports officials?

I know officials that would take a pay cut just to improve their schedules.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2-man is FAR more difficult and deserves a greater compensation difference than that.

According to this logic, when 3 man crews first appeared at the high school level, the officials who had previously been working 2 man should have then taken a per-game pay cut. I'm guessing this did not happen.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

According to this logic, when 3 man crews first appeared at the high school level, the officials who had previously been working 2 man should have then taken a per-game pay cut. I'm guessing this did not happen.

Your guess would be incorrect concerning my state.
NV added 3-man in top classification (largest schools) in 1997. The officials did so by dividing the previous 2-man fee three ways. Clearly not great then, but look where we are now.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your guess would be incorrect concerning my state.
NV added 3-man in top classification (largest schools) in 1997. The officials did so by dividing the previous 2-man fee three ways. Clearly not great then, but look where we are now.

Still not great in Nevada is where you are.