3 crew-v- 2 crew

[FrankHtown]

I have to preface this by saying living in a large metropolitan area has some advantages, but even for rural schools, ask the question: What percentage of an AD's budget is for officials? Think of the school's expenses for insurance, uniforms, paying the coaches, trainers, travel, etc. for all their sports, not just basketball, and I would guess official's expenses are a VERY small part of it. So asking for another few dollars a game for 3 officials would not cause the school to file for bankruptcy any time soon.

[CoachP]

From my area....23 team conference (3 divisions).

Column: Tri-Valley Conference will go to two officials next season - MLive.com

[refguy]

One huge benefit of 2 person is the ability of the crew to be consistent throughout the game. With 3 you increase the chances of someone not being on the same page.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

I have to preface this by saying living in a large metropolitan area has some advantages, but even for rural schools, ask the question: What percentage of an AD's budget is for officials? Think of the school's expenses for insurance, uniforms, paying the coaches, trainers, travel, etc. for all their sports, not just basketball, and I would guess official's expenses are a VERY small part of it. So asking for another few dollars a game for 3 officials would not cause the school to file for bankruptcy any time soon.

Even if there are only 200 people in the stands, it would only cost them each about a quarter more each to pay for a third official. Whining about budgets is just an excuse. We're no more important to the schools than the basketball they play the game with and considerably less important than the uniforms (which they seem to replace far too often).

Originally Posted by refguy

One huge benefit of 2 person is the ability of the crew to be consistent throughout the game. With 3 you increase the chances of someone not being on the same page.

With all due respect, that sounds like a poor excuse for a weak pre-game. IMO, there is no benefit to working 2 person games, 3 is always greater than 2.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by refguy

One huge benefit of 2 person is the ability of the crew to be consistent throughout the game. With 3 you increase the chances of someone not being on the same page.

Disagree. With smaller primary coverage areas and less guessing on calls across the key, drives to basket, etc., there is MORE consistency in three person crews than in two person crews. JMO, of course.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by eyezen

3 'man and 2 'man

now everyone can be happy

thanks for a good laugh, and a great suggestion, eyez. I love it!!

With regard to the subject, I think 3 'man is always better than two, although not always practical. Budget may be "just an excuse" in many districts, but there are lower levels and small or poor districts that really truly can't afford that third official.

Rich, specifically, many of the things you say are true. But there are a lot of games played even at the varsity level where there AREN'T 200 fans present, and even the 44 that are there didn't pay to get in, because if the school did charge, literally only 5 or 10 would show up. For larger schools, most middle-class districts and especially at the hs varsity level, I personally think 3 'man would always be an advantage, and worth the cost.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The biggest difference is that I'll accept assignments using 3-person.

Wow. Seems kind of cowardly to not accept two-person assignments. Kinda makes you go "Hmmmmmm".

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

What are our feeling on the advanteges,disadvantages, likes, dislikes, personal preferances of these 2 crews?

I've not worked much 3-whistle yet but I like that I don't have to concentrate on as many things at once.

The trade off for me is the relative lack of movement throughout the game. One reason I enjoy officiating is the exercise. I have found the 3 whistle games almost too easy from a physical standpoint. Related to the lack of motion and lesser court coverage, I have also found it tougher at times to feel involved in the game, leading to lack of concentration.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

I've not worked much 3-whistle yet but I like that I don't have to concentrate on as many things at once.

The trade off for me is the relative lack of movement throughout the game. One reason I enjoy officiating is the exercise. I have found the 3 whistle games almost too easy from a physical standpoint. Related to the lack of motion and lesser court coverage, I have also found it tougher at times to feel involved in the game, leading to lack of concentration.

If you aren't moving much, then your crew isn't doing it right. You should be moving all the time to get angles on plays, rotate for coverages, etc. When done correctly, three person involves LOTS of movement!

Originally Posted by Hartsy

I have found the 3 whistle games almost too easy from a physical standpoint. Related to the lack of motion and lesser court coverage, I have also found it tougher at times to feel involved in the game, leading to lack of concentration.

To feel involved:
Double whistles aren't a bad thing, try to double with your partner when you haven't had one in a while & take it to the table.

To sharpen your concentration:
Rotations & position adjustments will assist with improving concentration.

JMO

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

. . . I like that I don't have to concentrate on as many things at once.

The trade off for me is the relative lack of movement throughout the game. One reason I enjoy officiating is the exercise. I have found the 3 whistle games almost too easy from a physical standpoint. Related to the lack of motion and lesser court coverage, I have also found it tougher at times to feel involved in the game, leading to lack of concentration.

The opposite is true for me. I haven't felt good about a 2-whistle game for a few years. I've had them, I just didn't feel good about them afterwards.

In 3-whistle games, the C and T have to move a lot to avoid straight lines and get angles. Since I am focusing on a smaller PCA, my movement increases to always keep this area in view. In 2-whistle, I typically just widen my angle to watch the whole PCA. This leaves me with a bad angle and poor view of some areas, but does let me see the entire area.

[JBleach85]

3-man, just like everyone else has been saying it is better for the game, players, coaches, and even us officials. The one thing I like about 3-man is that it is a great way to help gain confidence in a young official. Putting a young official into a game with two veterans it gives them the confidence to make the right calls and be in the right position (angle) to make the correct call without having to guess.

[JRutledge]

I am so glad I live where I live. We work practically exclusively 3 Person in every conference. There are a couple of situations where people do not work 3 Person, but it is rare. And I will not take games that are not 3 Person. No discounts or concessions to work with 3 officials. This has been the 11 year we have had 3 Person in all playoff games and it makes pre-games a lot easier to discuss things. No need to talk about where to stand, we can talk about plays and situations. It was rocky to work at the start, now almost everyone is on the same page.

Peace

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by CoachP

From my area....23 team conference (3 divisions).

Column: Tri-Valley Conference will go to two officials next season - MLive.com

Horse manure reasoning is being used by that conference. I worked one GV game this past season. It was due to a late season addition to the home team's schedule. The calls that I remember the HC from the visiting team complained about would have come from the C had we had one that night. So, I have a hard time believing that a 2 person game in general is the same for all involved that a 3 person game would be.