NCAA Women's Rule Changes

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Listening to Doris Burke at the NCAA Women's tourney this weekend and she is a huge advocate of putting in the 10-seconds backcourt violation and 5-seconds closely guarded rules we see in the men's game.I happen to agree with her completely for the reason that at this level good, solid defense is not rewarded.It takes a lot of discipline to stay closely guarded for 5 seconds and keep the opposing offense in their backcourt for 10.Does anybody think I am crazy and would anyone like to see 10 seconds added in women's NF?

[donj]

All in favor of the 5 and 10 second counts. We have it in Iowa at the high school level and below, so the college gals should be able to handle it.

[Back In The Saddle]

I'd welcome it. Mostly because I sometimes find myself counting out of habit when I shouldn't be in those games. Consistency is a good thing.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Listening to Doris Burke at the NCAA Women's tourney this weekend and she is a huge advocate of putting in the 10-seconds backcourt violation and 5-seconds closely guarded rules we see in the men's game.I happen to agree with her completely for the reason that at this level good, solid defense is not rewarded.It takes a lot of discipline to stay closely guarded for 5 seconds and keep the opposing offense in their backcourt for 10.Does anybody think I am crazy and would anyone like to see 10 seconds added in women's NF?

Do the women have the same shot clock time as the men? If that's the same, I'll agree with you. I'm thinking women have a shorter shot clock, and that's why they took off the other rules, but that might be incorrect.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Do the women have the same shot clock time as the men? If that's the same, I'll agree with you. I'm thinking women have a shorter shot clock, and that's why they took off the other rules, but that might be incorrect.

Men's is 35, women's is 30.

I've always heard they don't have the 10 second backcourt count in the women's game because of the shorter shot clock.

[ranjo]

I bounce between AAU girls and boys in the off-season. The boys use NFHS rules and the girls play using womens NCAA rules with a shot clock.

With all due respect to Doris Burke, I personally like the girls rules because:
1. They enter the lane on the release when shooting free throws.
2. I'm not swinging my arm going up the court every time.
3. The game is played in halves and not quarters.
4. The 30 second shot clock keeps the game moving.
5. There is a count if the ball is being held and a defender is guarding with-in
three feet.

On the other hand, I would rather work boys games, because of their quickness and ability to play thru minor contact.

Just my opinion -

[bas2456]

I see why they eliminated the 10 second count, but I've never agreed with it.

Just add 5 seconds to the shot clock and have a ten second count. This is basketball.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by ranjo

With all due respect to Doris Burke, ...

Doris Burke is the equivalent of Billy Packer but without whatever redeeming qualities Billy had.

[dbking]

The one other major difference is the closely guarded rule applies to the entire court, not just the front court.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Doris Burke is the equivalent of Billy Packer but without whatever redeeming qualities Billy had.

Billy Packer has redeeming qualities? I'll take Doris over Billy anyday!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I bounce between AAU girls and boys in the off-season. The boys use NFHS rules and the girls play using womens NCAA rules with a shot clock.

With all due respect to Doris Burke, I personally like the girls rules because:
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2. I'm not swinging my arm going up the court every time.

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You need to work out more if this is a problem

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

You need to work out more if this is a problem

Actually Ranjo has some decent guns.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

You need to work out more if this is a problem

I know you said that in fun, but how often do you get a 10 second call in a season? Do you count when there is no press on?

Actually, when moving from back to frontcourt, I try to use the game or shot clock to count the seconds instead of moving my arm in some kind of rhythmic motion. That way if a coach questions your time management, you can tell him what was on the clock when you started your count. It kind of catches some of them by surprise that you would know that.

[Oz Referee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Men's is 35, women's is 30.

I've always heard they don't have the 10 second backcourt count in the women's game because of the shorter shot clock.

I didn't realize that women didn't have the backcourt count. I also don't see why having a 30 second shot clock prohibits a back court count. In FIBA everyone has an 8 second count. In competitions that use a shot clock it is 24 seconds (used to be 10 second backcourt and 30 shot clock).

IMHO the first thing that needs changing is shorten the shot clock for men's college games. Been watching a bit of the NCAA finals, and it seems that the first 10 seconds in the front court the offensive team just play silly-buggers and run a series of screens that don't really have anything to do with the offense. As well, it must make it hard for college players that go from NCAA to NBA or International competition, going from a 35 second shot clock to 24 must be a big adjustment, especially for point guards.

[craiglaw]

I think adding the 10 second rule to the women's game will give an interesting advantage to good defensive teams. However, i've watched and attended many WBB college games, and I think adding the 10 second clock would be a good change. Many times when a team wants to kill the clock, they camp in the backcourt until they reach the 10-12 second mark on the shot clock. It would be good to force those tactics into the front court. I would keep the 30 second shot clock.