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SCalScoreKeeper Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:18pm

NCAA Women's Rule Changes
 
Listening to Doris Burke at the NCAA Women's tourney this weekend and she is a huge advocate of putting in the 10-seconds backcourt violation and 5-seconds closely guarded rules we see in the men's game.I happen to agree with her completely for the reason that at this level good, solid defense is not rewarded.It takes a lot of discipline to stay closely guarded for 5 seconds and keep the opposing offense in their backcourt for 10.Does anybody think I am crazy and would anyone like to see 10 seconds added in women's NF?

donj Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:30pm

All in favor of the 5 and 10 second counts. We have it in Iowa at the high school level and below, so the college gals should be able to handle it.

Back In The Saddle Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:33pm

I'd welcome it. Mostly because I sometimes find myself counting out of habit when I shouldn't be in those games. Consistency is a good thing.

Juulie Downs Tue Mar 31, 2009 01:19am

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 592712)
Listening to Doris Burke at the NCAA Women's tourney this weekend and she is a huge advocate of putting in the 10-seconds backcourt violation and 5-seconds closely guarded rules we see in the men's game.I happen to agree with her completely for the reason that at this level good, solid defense is not rewarded.It takes a lot of discipline to stay closely guarded for 5 seconds and keep the opposing offense in their backcourt for 10.Does anybody think I am crazy and would anyone like to see 10 seconds added in women's NF?

Do the women have the same shot clock time as the men? If that's the same, I'll agree with you. I'm thinking women have a shorter shot clock, and that's why they took off the other rules, but that might be incorrect.

zm1283 Tue Mar 31, 2009 01:24am

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 592735)
Do the women have the same shot clock time as the men? If that's the same, I'll agree with you. I'm thinking women have a shorter shot clock, and that's why they took off the other rules, but that might be incorrect.

Men's is 35, women's is 30.

I've always heard they don't have the 10 second backcourt count in the women's game because of the shorter shot clock.

ranjo Tue Mar 31, 2009 07:10am

I bounce between AAU girls and boys in the off-season. The boys use NFHS rules and the girls play using womens NCAA rules with a shot clock.

With all due respect to Doris Burke, I personally like the girls rules because:
1. They enter the lane on the release when shooting free throws.
2. I'm not swinging my arm going up the court every time.
3. The game is played in halves and not quarters.
4. The 30 second shot clock keeps the game moving.
5. There is a count if the ball is being held and a defender is guarding with-in
three feet.

On the other hand, I would rather work boys games, because of their quickness and ability to play thru minor contact.

Just my opinion -

bas2456 Tue Mar 31, 2009 08:03am

I see why they eliminated the 10 second count, but I've never agreed with it.

Just add 5 seconds to the shot clock and have a ten second count. This is basketball.

Juulie Downs Tue Mar 31, 2009 08:38am

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 592760)
With all due respect to Doris Burke, ...

Doris Burke is the equivalent of Billy Packer but without whatever redeeming qualities Billy had.

dbking Tue Mar 31, 2009 09:30am

The one other major difference is the closely guarded rule applies to the entire court, not just the front court.

GoodwillRef Tue Mar 31, 2009 09:56am

I don't think they will change either one...the women like being different than the men. I do think they will change the primary coverage areas to what the men and NFHS have this year.

icallfouls Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:45am

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 592760)
I bounce between AAU girls and boys in the off-season. The boys use NFHS rules and the girls play using womens NCAA rules with a shot clock.

With all due respect to Doris Burke, I personally like the girls rules because:
****
2. I'm not swinging my arm going up the court every time.

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You need to work out more if this is a problem ;)

Raymond Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 592883)
You need to work out more if this is a problem ;)

Actually Ranjo has some decent guns. :D

ranjo Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 592883)
You need to work out more if this is a problem ;)

I know you said that in fun, but how often do you get a 10 second call in a season? Do you count when there is no press on?

Actually, when moving from back to frontcourt, I try to use the game or shot clock to count the seconds instead of moving my arm in some kind of rhythmic motion. That way if a coach questions your time management, you can tell him what was on the clock when you started your count. It kind of catches some of them by surprise that you would know that.;)

ranjo Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 592798)
Doris Burke is the equivalent of Billy Packer but without whatever redeeming qualities Billy had.

Billy Packer has redeeming qualities? I'll take Doris over Billy anyday!:D

ranjo Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 592893)
Actually Ranjo has some decent guns. :D


If I have guns, than BadNewsRef has cannons - I'm just an older miniature version of him, including reffing ability.:D


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