Illinois/WKU game

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

As I said above, it didn't end up hurting them, but it was a very big point in the game. WKU was up by about five with under a minute to play trying to get the ball in in their backcourt.

A missed OOB call is not a "big time" kick no matter when it occurs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A missed OOB call is not a "big time" kick no matter when it occurs.

I beg to differ on this. It wasn't like this was fundamentally a close call that was hard to tell, they just missed it...period. This missed OOB call happened at a time when it could have changed the outcome of the game.

It took possession away from the team ahead that was trying to protect a lead in the endgame. While it didn't in this case, that can change the outcome of the game and, if WK had ended up losing by 1, it would be the talk of the tourney, and rightfully so.

Imagine if it had happened with 15-20 seconds to go instead of 1:20 and with WK up 1 or 2 points....in a position where the opponent would have been forced to foul for a chance to get a rebound on a missed FT or to get the ball back after the made FT(s)....but now, they have the ball with a chance to make the winning bucket. You can't honestly believe a missed OOB call, one that should have been obvious, in this type of situation is minor.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A missed OOB call is not a "big time" kick no matter when it occurs.

Disagree completely. That call resulted in a major swing. There are two officials looking at that play. Someone has to see that imo.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I beg to differ on this. It wasn't like this was fundamentally a close call that was hard to tell, they just missed it...period. This missed OOB call happened at a time when it could have changed the outcome of the game.

It took possession away from the team ahead that was trying to protect a lead in the endgame. While it didn't in this case, that can change the outcome of the game and, if WK had ended up losing by 1, it would be the talk of the tourney, and rightfully so.

Imagine if it had happened with 15-20 seconds to go instead of 1:20 and with WK up 1 or 2 points....in a position where the opponent would have been forced to foul for a chance to get a rebound on a missed FT or to get the ball back after the made FT(s)....but now, they have the ball with a chance to make the winning bucket. You can't honestly believe a missed OOB call, one that should have been obvious, in this type of situation is minor.

This.

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Disagree completely. That call resulted in a major swing. There are two officials looking at that play. Someone has to see that imo.

And this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

This.



And this.

Well that was a wasted post; not that I haven't had my share, but still.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well that was a wasted post; not that I haven't had my share...

Huh?

Oh, wait, I actually do have a comment on this. I was watching the game, and agree it was a missed call, but I can see how it was missed. The ball was being inbounded in WKU's backcourt, along the sideline, very near the endline. Iirc, the old L/new T administered the throw-in, very close to the endline, and could very well have been straight-lined by the WKU player, because the throw-in went up the sideline towards another WKU player near the center line. The IL defender did tip it right after it was released, and it ended up bouncing on the sideline before bouncing up to another IL player. The new L actually made the delayed call from just on the other side of half court.

It should've been T's call, but it seemed as though it might've been a little tight along the sideline and he was probably not in the best position to see both the tip and the ball hit the sideline. The new L did see the bounce on the sideline, but it's not his sideline call to make, so he waited until he knew for sure the T didn't see it, and definitely would not have been looking at the player guarding the inbounds pass.

Moral: put yourself in the best position to see what you need to see, even if it involves moving spectators/cheerleaders/etc. out of the way, or making sure you're in a spot where you can best see your area of responsibility. Especially at that moment in the game.

I also wondered about the monitor/clock issue. I knew they couldn't change the ruling about whose ball it is after checking the monitor, but I wonder if they ruled that yes, the ball was tipped (and by extention, a blown call that was not fixable), and figured that 1 sec. did indeed come off after the tip.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Disagree completely. That call resulted in a major swing. There are two officials looking at that play. Someone has to see that imo.

I was a little more categorical than I intended.