Pass to Head to Hoop

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by asdf

In the original video, insert a foul committed against the "thrower" and you (correctly) are going to kill the play because you judged A was passing the ball.

The pass has no chance of entering the basket no matter if he was fouled or not, therefore 2 points are correctly awarded, not the 3 that you propose.

I don't propose it, it's the rule. 5-2-1: "A successful try, tap, or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot 9-inch arc counts three points." The case play, 5.2.1 Sit C has A1 throwing the ball (not necessarily a try), contacting the defender inside the arc, and 3 points are still awarded.

Of course, Camron and I have been discussing what the intent of the committee was when this rule was changed. You might want to go back and read this thread all the way through, so I don't have to go through it all again.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

You might want to go back and read this thread all the way through, so I don't have to go through it all again.

A disillusioned cynic might say you were being lazy.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A disillusioned cynic might say you were being lazy.

There you go again. I'd report you to the mods if they gave a crap.

(Actually, being lazy is using cut-and-paste techniques instead of thinking of original responses. )

[asdf]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't propose it, it's the rule. 5-2-1: "A successful try, tap, or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot 9-inch arc counts three points." The case play, 5.2.1 Sit C has A1 throwing the ball (not necessarily a try), contacting the defender inside the arc, and 3 points are still awarded.

Of course, Camron and I have been discussing what the intent of the committee was when this rule was changed. You might want to go back and read this thread all the way through, so I don't have to go through it all again.

Then by your interpretation, if A1 is fouled while he is throwing the ball to A2 and it deflects off B3 into the basket, you must count the basket.

You cannot have it both ways.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by asdf

Then by your interpretation, if A1 is fouled while he is throwing the ball to A2 and it deflects off B3 into the basket, you must count the basket.

You cannot have it both ways.

No, the ball becomes dead on a foul unless there is a try involved. No basket.

[Camron Rust]

What if I judge the "thrown ball" to be a try (in the OP)....a really bad one, but a try. Doesn't that, per 4.2.1c 4.41.4B make it only a 2 if it goes in?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What if I judge the "thrown ball" to be a try (in the OP)....a really bad one, but a try. Doesn't that, per 4.2.1c make it only a 2 if it goes in?

Do you mean 5.2.1(c)?

If so, it bounced off the defender in the OP, so it would be a 3. If it had bounced off a teammate, then, yes, it would be a 2.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Do you mean 5.2.1(c)?

If so, it bounced off the defender in the OP, so it would be a 3. If it had bounced off a teammate, then, yes, it would be a 2.

No, I typed the wrong reference:

4.41.4 SITUATION B: A1’s three-point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. RULING: The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored in both (a) and (b). (5-1)

According to this case, it would be 2 if the official judges it to be a try and it bounced off the shoulder of the defender as in the OP.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, I typed the wrong reference:

4.41.4 SITUATION B: A1’s three-point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. RULING: The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored in both (a) and (b). (5-1)

According to this case, it would be 2 if the official judges it to be a try and it bounced off the shoulder of the defender as in the OP.

I got 'ya. If we judge it to be a try, I would agree with that ruling as well.

But you would have to do some convincing to prove to me the ball wasn't still on it's way up...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by asdf

Then by your interpretation, if A1 is fouled while he is throwing the ball to A2 and it deflects off B3 into the basket, you must count the basket.

You cannot have it both ways.

Nope, that is not my interpretation, and that is not the rule. I've said that from the beginning (actually, post #9 in this thread).

The rule does not magically change a thrown ball into a try. All it says is either a throw, tap, or try that originates from outside the arc counts 3 points, even if it is touched by the defense. If we judge it to be a try, than all of the rules governing a try still appliy - the basket counts if A1 is fouled, or if the horn sounds ending a period while the try is still in the air. If we judge it to be a pass, then the ball is dead immediately upon a foul, the horn sounds, etc. None of those other rules change.