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Old Tue Mar 10, 2009, 09:05am
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Defender jumping laterally bumps into offensive player doing a lay-up.

..." A player (adapt.) who has jumped into the air from a place on the playing court has the right to land on another place on the playing court provided that the landing place and the direct path between the take-off and the landing places is not already occupied by an opponent(s) at the time of take-off".. FIBA art 33.6

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..."When moving to mantain the initial legal guarding position, one or both feet may be off the floor for an instant, as long as the movement is lateral or backwards, but not towards the player with the ball"... - FIBA art 33.4





My question is: Imagine a situation when the defensive player jumps laterally and at the time of the 'take off' there was nobody between him and the landing place.

However in the interim between his take off and landing a player with the ball gets in his way when driving to the basket with a lay-up.


Who's responsible for the contact?

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My question is: Imagine a situation when the defensive player jumps laterally and at the time of the 'take off' there was nobody between him and the landing place.

However in the interim between his take off and landing a player with the ball gets in his way driving to the basket by making lay-up.

Who's responsible for the contact?
Who do you believe is responsible for the contact, and why?
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Old Tue Mar 10, 2009, 09:18am
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Well..

I was thinking about the situation and actually this is a very unlike situation.

When a player jumps into the air laterally he does so mostly because he is late and he had been beaten by the offensive player.

So I think in these circumstances the defender is responsible for the contact.

Am I right?

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Old Tue Mar 10, 2009, 06:29pm
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Where is the contact on the respective players?
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The defender can only claim ownership of the spot he started his/her jump from.
if, as in the case of you scenario, on landing the offensive was hit at a different spot from take off , then a blocking foul on the defender should be called (I would anyway).
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The defender can only claim ownership of the spot he started his/her jump from.
if, as in the case of you scenario, on landing the offensive was hit at a different spot from take off , then a blocking foul on the defender should be called (I would anyway).
This is not true of the defender had established LGP, in which case he can be moving sideways or backwards when contact is made. He does not need to be on the floor in order to take advantage of the extra benefits granted for having LGP.

The caveat is whether or not the offensive player had jumped as well, in which case the defender would need to be in position prior to the offensive player jumping.
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If the defender had LGP and while legally maintaining it became airborne, then the offensive player moved into him, it would be a PC foul.
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Old Wed Mar 11, 2009, 06:39pm
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The situation described stated :

"My question is: Imagine a situation when the defensive player jumps laterally and at the time of the 'take off' there was nobody between him and the landing place."

Which indicates to me that

A) The ofensive player went past head and shoulder

or

b) NO LGP


Hence block foul on defender


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If that's how you see it, then yes, blocking foul. My point was, there's nothing in the OP that makes this the only call possible.

If the defender had LGP and contact was in the defender's torso, it's probably (98.13413414315415%) a PC. If the defender never established LGP or contacted the dribbler on the side; easy block.
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I have been away for a while

Thanks guys for your help and sorry Snaqwells as I didn't reply to your question above. Anyway I think now it is too late.

For what I understood it all depends on where the contact happened, if in the torso or not.
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I have been away for a while

Thanks guys for your help and sorry Snaqwells as I didn't reply to your question above. Anyway I think now it is too late.

For what I understood it all depends on where the contact happened, if in the torso or not.


I am a newbie unexperienced ref.

I have language problems as english is not my 1st language.. please bear with me


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