Player Control or Offensive foul

[Just Curious]

A1 driving to the hoop leaves the floor and makes a pass to A2 (Definitely no shot intended).... In the air and clearly after the pass is released, A1 plows into B1 (Who has established a legal guarding position)... Do we have player control or simply an offensive foul?

[Nevadaref]

IN HIGH SCHOOL:
Not a player control foul. For this the player must have control of the ball or be an airborne shooter. This is simply a charging foul. It is a common foul and if the other team is in the bonus, they will shoot one-and-one.

Actually, I don't believe that in the HS rules book the term "Offensive foul" is ever defined or used. If someone could double check me on this statement, that would be great.

Now in College they do have the concept of an offensive foul. I don't know all the particulars of this, ask an NCAA official. My understanding is that it is simply a foul by a player of the team in control, except a player with the ball. They do NOT shoot one-and-one in college on offensive fouls now.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Nevadaref


IN HIGH SCHOOL:
Not a player control foul. For this the player must have control of the ball or be an airborne shooter. This is simply a charging foul. It is a common foul and if the other team is in the bonus, they will shoot one-and-one.

Completely true!!!

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Actually, I don't believe that in the HS rules book the term "Offensive foul" is ever defined or used. If someone could double check me on this statement, that would be great.

You are correct. No such rule under NF Rules.

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Now in College they do have the concept of an offensive foul. I don't know all the particulars of this, ask an NCAA official. My understanding is that it is simply a foul by a player of the team in control, except a player with the ball. They do NOT shoot one-and-one in college on offensive fouls now.

Technically there is no such foul as an "Offensive Foul" in college either. The only foul that resembles that of course is a Team Control foul. But depending on the action, an "Offensive Foul" might still result in shooting. Rebounding and certain loose ball sitatuations where a team is not in Team Control, you still could shoot if the bonus shots if the "Offensive Team" commits the foul. So if A2 fouls B1, after A1 shot is in the air, B1 will shoot bonus shots if Team B is in the bounus.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Thanks Rut!
Beautifully explained.
I don't do NCAA games, but my friends that do tell me that they now have a mechanic for indicating a "Team Control" foul and that this signal is exactly the same as the player control foul signal. That ought to be a little confusing!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Thanks Rut!
Beautifully explained.
I don't do NCAA games, but my friends that do tell me that they now have a mechanic for indicating a "Team Control" foul and that this signal is exactly the same as the player control foul signal. That ought to be a little confusing!

Depends on if you do Women's or Men's sides. The NCAA is not just satisfied by having the same signal, they want to both have their own. For officials like myself that do both at this point, this is confusing. I see why they want you to pick one over the other. I had a Women's game on Friday, then turn around and did a Men's scrimmage on Saturday afternoon. It took me a couple of times up and down the floor to think "Men's mechanics" on Saturday afternoon. First time I had a back to back night like that. I am choosing next year so I can concentrate on just one.

Peace

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Thanks Rut!
Beautifully explained.
I don't do NCAA games, but my friends that do tell me that they now have a mechanic for indicating a "Team Control" foul and that this signal is exactly the same as the player control foul signal. That ought to be a little confusing!

It's confusing because they don't tell the table . . .

I've seen both the hand-behind-the head PC signal and the FIBA "punch" signal given in 2 different exhibition games.