OT - OSAA gone too PC?

Mark Padgett · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hey, I would be in violation of the newspaper "rule"!

I read mine during the introductions when I go watch the games, because that is the BORING part of the game!

I read "Chicks and Ammo" (credit to Robin Williams). BTW - when I was in HS (back in the dark ages) and an opponent was going to shoot a FT, we would chant "SEE THAT BASKET, SEE THAT BALL, C'MON STUPID, HIT THE WALL". We were never chastised for it or anything else. Sometimes we would get really nasty, especially during playoffs.

WreckRef · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I read "Chicks and Ammo" (credit to Robin Williams). BTW - when I was in HS (back in the dark ages) and an opponent was going to shoot a FT, we would chant "SEE THAT BASKET, SEE THAT BALL, C'MON STUPID, HIT THE WALL". We were never chastised for it or anything else. Sometimes we would get really nasty, especially during playoffs.

Now if I heard this, I would miss because I would be laughing so hard. On a side note, I didn't play basketball in high school, I played soccer.

I always had the opposing fans riding me because I usually marked (defended for you basketball only people) their best player. The more they booed and yelled at me, the harder and better it made me play, I loved it and fed off of it. One time I tackled a teams best player (legally) right in front of the student body, they screamed bloody murder to no avail, I got up and took a bow. They really loved me after that.

rockyroad · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 04:37pm

Did a game last season - Girl's Varsity - where the home team fans in the first half chanted "Bounce, bounce, bounce" every time the point guard dribbled the ball, and screamed "Whoaaaaaaaaaaa" every time the "star" player had the ball in her hands, ala the "Cameron Crazies"...as the AD was letting us into the locker room at half, he told us he would "take care of that stuff"!! I asked him "Why?" and he felt that it was not "proper sporting behavior". So he made them stop.

Whatever.

WreckRef · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 05:59pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Did a game last season - Girl's Varsity - where the home team fans in the first half chanted "Bounce, bounce, bounce" every time the point guard dribbled the ball, and screamed "Whoaaaaaaaaaaa" every time the "star" player had the ball in her hands, ala the "Cameron Crazies"...as the AD was letting us into the locker room at half, he told us he would "take care of that stuff"!! I asked him "Why?" and he felt that it was not "proper sporting behavior". So he made them stop.

Whatever.

Agreed. I don't see anything wrong with this. We did the, "Bounce, bounce, bounce, pass, pass, shot!" thing in high school as well as the old favorite, "Air ball!! Air ball!!"

We also used to yell, "Boring... boring... boring!" Unfortunately that was at our own team because we had Norman Dale for a head coach.

#5 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 06:32pm

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Originally Posted by WreckRef

Agreed. I don't see anything wrong with this. We did the, "Bounce, bounce, bounce, pass, pass, shot!" thing in high school as well as the old favorite, "Air ball!! Air ball!!"

We also used to yell, "Boring... boring... boring!" Unfortunately that was at our own team because we had Norman Dale for a head coach.

And Nebraska basketball fans would chant that back in the Moe Iba days. Ahhh...the days gone by....

eyezen · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 07:35pm

So this would probably be frowned upon in OR.

JRutledge · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 07:58pm

That is funny.

Peace

Mark Padgett · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 05, 2009, 08:08pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen

So this would probably be frowned upon in OR.

A picture of a guy in women's clothing? Nuh-uh. Just ask the Portland mayor.

Tim C · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 12:05pm

Mbyron wrote:

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And this from the board's harshest critic of political correctness!

Obviously we disagree but please don't make my decisions for me.

You think this is a politically correct issue whereas I think it is trying to teach "the right thing."

Regards,

M&M Guy · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C

Obviously we disagree but please don't make my decisions for me.

You think this is a politically correct issue whereas I think it is trying to teach "the right thing."

Isn't this the crux of the issue - legislating vs. teaching?

Isn't the governing body (OSAA) is trying to make the decision for you as what is acceptable and what is not? Why can't the school, teacher, coach and/or parent decide this for themselves, considering they have the direct contact with the sudent and the behavior, instead of that decision being made for them by someone that has no direct contact with any of the individuals involved?

mbyron · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C

Mbyron wrote:

Obviously we disagree but please don't make my decisions for me.

You think this is a politically correct issue whereas I think it is trying to teach "the right thing."

Regards,

I did not state an opinion, so I don't know the basis for your conclusion that we disagree.

I linked your remarks to the thread title. I did not thereby endorse the OP's standpoint.

Tim C · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 02:12pm

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" . . . Why can't the school, teacher, coach and/or parent decide this for themselves, considering they have the direct contact with the sudent and the behavior, . . . "

What seems to be lost here is a definition of WHO the OSAA is:

The OSAA is made up of representative educators, superintendents, principals, coaches, teachers, and school board members.

The "OSAA" does not establish rules they are simply the independent organization that keeps the voluntary member schools in line.

It would be my view that the new "sportsmanship rules" were established by the exact people that you have mentioned in your post.

Regards,

Adam · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 02:16pm

Tim, is it a governing body with punitive authority? If so, it doens't matter how if it's democratically elected or the members are assigned by God in this case, as Joe the Principal at Average High School in Smallville, OR, can't make this decision and he has to follow the rules set forth by the OSAA. As you say, they "keep the voluntary member schools in line."

Mark Padgett · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 02:34pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Average High School in Smallville, OR

Doesn't matter - they didn't make the playoffs this year.

M&M Guy · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 06, 2009, 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C

The OSAA is made up of representative educators, superintendents, principals, coaches, teachers, and school board members.

It would be my view that the new "sportsmanship rules" were established by the exact people that you have mentioned in your post.

If that's the case, then why don't all the individual schools already have those rules in place?

And, you did leave out one very important person that is not included in the OSAA - the parent. And, isn't that who is ultimately responsible for teaching behavior?

I guess I feel legislation should be used for what the vast majority agrees upon. In this case, (as is the case many times), a select few determines how many should act, without a clear consensus. There is, for example, a clear consensus on racial comments. That is fine to legislate. There is not a clear consensus that reading a newspaper during player introductions is bad behavior. Therefore, that behavior should be left up to the individuals directly involved, not a quasi-governing body who quite probably has never even set foot anywhere near the school involved.