OT - OSAA gone too PC?

[Tim C]

"Personally, I think that the OSAA went too far with some of these."

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports.

If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years.

Tim Christensen

Secretary
Oregon Athletic Officals Association
State Baseball Umpire Committee

Publication Committee Member
National Federation of State High Schools
High School Today

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by WreckRef

Personally, I think that the OSAA went too far with some of these.

Originally Posted by Tim C

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports.

If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years.

Tim Christensen

I think you've exagerated a bit here. WreckRef (no thanks for quoting his actually post, btw) said that some are too far.

Do you really believe that high school athletes are emotionally harmed when their opponents read newspapers instead of listening when opponents are being introduced, or when opponents shoot free throws, etc?

If the OP is true, I think the OSAA is taking the easy route by denying all "reverse cheering" so that they don't have to deal with the possible racial comments made because of this type of cheering.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If the OP is true, I think the OSAA is taking the easy route by denying all "reverse cheering" so that they don't have to deal with the possible racial comments made because of this type of cheering.

I think that is a wonderful point. I have no problem with some razzing as long as it is fun. If behavior goes too far, remove the people that are behaving badly and be done with it. There is a difference between yelling "air ball" than calling someone "ugly" which happen at my game the other night. BTW, that comment was dealt with immediately without anyone having to say a word to the administration.

Peace

[WreckRef]

Originally Posted by Tim C

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports.

If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years.

Tim Christensen

Secretary
Oregon Athletic Officals Association
State Baseball Umpire Committee

Publication Committee Member
National Federation of State High Schools
High School Today

Unfortunately you are reading only what you want to read, not what I actually said as well as saying I said things that I did not say.

I never said I am against good sportsmanship but somehow you attack me by saying that I am. I have coached multiple youth sports for over 10 years, officiated multiple sports for 20 years and played sports my entire life. As a coach I always taught good sportsmanship, win or lose. As an official, there have been VERY FEW instances where I thought the crowd was acting inappropriately.

To be honest with you, I have found that the bigger problem with behavior comes from the adults in the stands, not the students.

Bottom line is I think the OSAA has gone too far. The new policy is a response to very ugly and inappropriate incidents that happened last year. Those types of incidents don't belong in society, PERIOD. Unfortunately the response is punishing/banning things that I do not see as being more than students behaving like students.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Tim C

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

This feels like you're accusing him of promoting bad sportsmanship and attacking him. Especially the part about him being against your interp of the new rules.

I agree with Wreck, that the OSAA has gone way, way too far. And I think they'd get a LOT better results if they'd spend their time and energy actively including good things, instead of excluding everything that even looks like it might be a problem somewhere to someone.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Tim C

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports.

If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years.

Tim Christensen

Secretary
Oregon Athletic Officals Association
State Baseball Umpire Committee

Publication Committee Member
National Federation of State High Schools
High School Today

Every single basketball ref I've talked to thinks it's ridiculous and way overly officious. Thanks OSAA - way to take a whole bunch of the fun out of going to basketball games for the entire student body. I'm sure they'll find something much more entertaining to do while they're not having good, clean fun at the games on Friday nights.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tim C

So let me get this straight: The Oregon School Activities Association has generated rules that require schools to model Good Sportsmanship and you are against that.

The OSAA is just following the general philosophy the NFHS that feels that a sporting event is an extension of the classroom and a learning experience for players, coaches, officials and fans.

My, what a terrible thing.

Let the college crowds model what ever they want. High school sports has a totally different direction (intended result) than college or professional sports.

If attendance is down because of this (and there is no data to prove it is or is not) then perhaps it is the correct people that are staying away. I have enjoyed football and basketball games more this year than anytime in the past 10 years.

Tim Christensen

Secretary
Oregon Athletic Officals Association
State Baseball Umpire Committee

Publication Committee Member
National Federation of State High Schools
High School Today

And this from the board's harshest critic of political correctness!