2009-2010 rule changes

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

NO 10 second count for the Free Throw.

Has any one in the entire universe ever called this??????

I actually had one this year and didn't call it because I knew the coach would go nuts.

Could never happen. A player could then rightfully stand there forever with no recourse by the officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

NO 10 second count for the Free Throw.

Has any one in the entire universe ever called this??????

I actually had one this year and didn't call it because I knew the coach would go nuts.

I saw it happen one time. The kid took an exceptionally long period of time and the coach said nothing. We still give the official crap that called it. He was completely right to call it, but it is so rare we have a little fun with him.

And if a coach cannot teach his kid to shoot a FT within 10 seconds, who cares what he/she thinks.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

NO 10 second count for the Free Throw.

Has any one in the entire universe ever called this??????

I actually had one this year and didn't call it because I knew the coach would go nuts.

You don't call it because the rule is there.

Without it, some coach would have his player stand there for a couple of minutes so he could rest his players, have a mini-clinic with the other four players, glare at the officials, ...

My proposal: If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

[JugglingReferee]

A rule that states that if the clock is stopped, and if a timeout is requested (seemingly) at the same time that possession is gained, a set amount of time comes off the clock, such as 0.3s.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't call it because the rule is there.

Without it, some coach would have his player stand there for a couple of minutes so he could rest his players, have a mini-clinic with the other four players, glare at the officials, ...

My proposal: If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

Never entered my mind, good one.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't call it because the rule is there.

Without it, some coach would have his player stand there for a couple of minutes so he could rest his players, have a mini-clinic with the other four players, glare at the officials, ...

My proposal: If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

Coach subs in 12th man and haves him "push off" to receive the inbounds pass. Foul call, B gets the ensuing throw-in, but A keeps the arrow. It's only a problem if B is in the bonus.

[WIRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't call it because the rule is there.

My proposal: If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

I would go for this rule, other than at the end of the 4th Quarter or Overtime. Held ball with 2.9 seconds left, down by 1, and opponent gets the arrow (and ball). Game over? Just make them play the game out as normal. Your rule gives them the advantage of having the ball to start the next quarter, which is fine. But in this case, there is not going to be a next quarter.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

Love it. Had that happen a few times this year. Felt bad for the "wasted" arrow (oh gosh, did I really just say I 'felt bad' for a team )

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

NO 10 second count for the Free Throw.

Has any one in the entire universe ever called this??????

I actually had one this year and didn't call it because I knew the coach would go nuts.

I did call this once, in a JV girls game. The girl had the ball for 15 seconds and was still not making any attempt to prepare for the free throw. The Varsity coach went nuts to the point that at half time he came on the court to tell me and my partner how horrible we were. Had to throw him out for the remainder of the game.

I think that it is a necessary evil.

[Mark Padgett]

Another one that comes up from time to time is giving a team that's in the bonus the option of shooting free throws when fouled or just inbounding the ball. This eliminates the incentive for the other team to keep fouling when they are behind.

[bniu]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

NO 10 second count for the Free Throw.

Has any one in the entire universe ever called this??????

I actually had one this year and didn't call it because I knew the coach would go nuts.

i wouldn't split hairs here, even if they do go over 10 seconds, i prolly won't do much about it unless they do it consistently where it's just making the game drag on...and i'd only call it after giving the team a warning. Like if the player takes 12 seconds, then 13 sec, then 12 sec, i'd go to him and tell him to cut it out but something like 6 sec, 14 sec, 9 sec, 8 sec, 7 sec, i wouldn't really split hairs with him there...and at the end of a close game, i'd bite my whistle unless i have to call it (like it's been 20 sec already), the game should be decided by the players not the refs...

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bniu

the game should be decided by the players not the refs...

So the official called the violation for the thrower taking too long and the official decided the game? I would say the player should have decided to shoot a little bit sooner; he decided the game by violating.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

With the season winding down, it's time for our almost annual thread regarding rule changes we'd like to see.

Here's an NF change I'd like to see. It's not a big deal, but it seems more equitable. Team A has team control in their backcourt. They request and are granted a timeout. When they subsequently inbound in the backcourt, why not have the 10 second count pick up from where it left off instead of resetting? What's the logic about them getting extra time to get the ball across just because they got a timeout?

Also (and I think I've suggested this every year since Dr. Naismith and I put up the first peach basket) - no overtimes. Of course, it doesn't affect me, since I don't allow them anyway. I'm just thinking of the rest of you.

Change the ruling about headbands, sweatband and hair control devices.....make them take them off.......

[captain]

I totally agree with picking up with the 10 sec. count after a time out, but don't think it would be possible without a shot clock, there would be too much confusion without the shot clock.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by captain

I totally agree with picking up with the 10 sec. count after a time out, but don't think it would be possible without a shot clock, there would be too much confusion without the shot clock.

You count to 6, then Team A is granted a TO. Prior to handling the ball to the inbounder, you tell him/her that there are 4 seconds remaining.

FIBA games in my area are split into two methods: those with and those without a shot clock. The procedure I outlined above is the same whether or not a SC is present. I have never had a problem in 3 years.