Inbounding - foul?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Presented to me by a fellow official.

A1 inbounding ball on sideline. B1 right on top of sideline guarding A1's inbound.

A1 clears B1 with forearm to get space to inbound the ball.

What is the call?

I said it's got to be a foul and shoot Bonus is applicable (no TC-NFHS).

What got the discussion going was if it was inverted it would be an intentional personal.

No, it wouldn't be an intentional if inverted, as B1 is (I assume) standing in bounds.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, it wouldn't be an intentional if inverted, as B1 is (I assume) standing in bounds.

Why not? B1 is inbounds and he fouls inbounder A1, it definitely is an intentional.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Why not? B1 is inbounds and he fouls inbounder A1, it definitely is an intentional.

Only if B1 reaches OOB and fouls A1. If B1 commits a foul without reaching OOB, it's only an intentional if it meets the other criteria.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only if B1 reaches OOB and fouls A1. If B1 commits a foul without reaching OOB, it's only an intentional if it meets the other criteria.

Well duh.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only if B1 reaches OOB and fouls A1. If B1 commits a foul without reaching OOB, it's only an intentional if it meets the other criteria.

rule nine section 2
Penalties art 11
4. If an opponent(s) of the thrower reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and fouls the thrower, an intentional personal foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required. true

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

rule nine section 2
Penalties art 11
4. If an opponent(s) of the thrower reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and fouls the thrower, an intentional personal foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required. true

Okay, I was reading "inverted" to mean simply that B1 fouls A1 rather than reaching through the plane to do it. I see what you mean now.

However, the intentional foul rule here is only for the defender reaching out of bounds. The only way you can call this intentional is if it's the same type of foul you'd call inentional on a ball handler inbounds.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by eyezen

B1 is inbounds and he fouls inbounder A1, it definitely is an intentional.

Yep, last night. Well played tight B13/15 game.

B scores and A1 is under the basket for the throw-in. B is in full-court, man-to-man press. I'm new T, and counting. B1 temporarily loses his man and discovers he's the inbounder. B1 runs several steps at top speed to guard the inbounding A1. B1 can't slow down, loses his balance and falls right out of bounds and into A1! CRASH! TWEET!