So, how'd you like a game to start like THIS?

[just another ref]

Enough already.

A vote.

Somebody set up one of those poll thingys. How many would call a T for the clown throwing powder up in the air and delaying the start of the game.


I vote no.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Enough already.

A vote.

Somebody set up one of those poll thingys. How many would call a T for the clown throwing powder up in the air and delaying the start of the game.


I vote no.

Are you serious? You want to settle a rules question by having a poll? A poll in which anyone without even a basic amount of actual rules knowledge is allowed to have a vote? Great idea! Let the fans, players, coaches and non-qualified officials decide what the rules should be.

Don't you think that a better alternative might be to submit the question to a member of the NFHS rules committee, a state rules interpreter or a knowledgable, accepted source?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Old_School

No. The resumption of play procedure is a completely separate part of rule 10-1-5b.

Just mark it up as yet another example of a rule that you don't understand.

I said 10-1-5b does not apply to the OP period

10-1-5a is specific to this situation
ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start either half.

there is no need to move beyond this section of the rule because it is specific to the situation.

5b enlists the of the ROP procedure because it is specifically refering to delay situations where it may be possibly to use this procedure rather than going directly to the technical. This situation is not one of them so 5b does not apply here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old_School

Are you serious? You want to settle a rules question by having a poll? A poll in which anyone without even a basic amount of actual rules knowledge is allowed to have a vote? Great idea! Let the fans, players, coaches and non-qualified officials decide what the rules should be.

Don't you think that a better alternative might be to submit the question to a member of the NFHS rules committee, a state rules interpreter or a knowledgable, accepted source?

He's talking about a poll here on the board. Not official, not binding. Relax.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He's talking about a poll here on the board. Not official, not binding. Relax.

And just exactly what would the results of said poll actually prove?

ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You could have one of the choices of the poll being the person who spilled the powder be castrated and horsewhipped. If 84% of the respondents choose that option, does that mean that is the correct and approved way to handle the situation?

A poll is a complete waste of time and a complete WOBW. That was my point.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Old_School

And just exactly what would the results of said poll actually prove?

ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You could have one of the choices of the poll being the person who spilled the powder be castrated and horsewhipped. If 84% of the respondents choose that option, does that mean that is the correct and approved way to handle the situation?

A poll is a complete waste of time and a complete WOBW. That was my point.

Kinda like what your posts are becoming once again.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old_School

And just exactly what would the results of said poll actually prove?

ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You could have one of the choices of the poll being the person who spilled the powder be castrated and horsewhipped. If 84% of the respondents choose that option, does that mean that is the correct and approved way to handle the situation?

A poll is a complete waste of time and a complete WOBW. That was my point.

Good grief. Are you really this full of yourself? 75% of what goes on this board would be considered by someone to be a waste of bandwidth.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief. Are you really this full of yourself? 75% of what goes on this board would be considered by someone to be a waste of bandwidth.

Start a poll?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by UNH IM Ref

No way jose that floor is not ready for play anyway.

Granted, my example may be bad, but I was simply trying to point out the difference between "accidental" and "on purpose" long delays.

Originally Posted by UNH IM Ref

Besides spilling water while drinking during a TO & throwing dust for your own aggrandizement before a game are 2 extremely different things IMO. One's a T & the other is common in-game court maintenance.

I agree to a point, but which T would you give?

As I see it, the choices are:
T for delay - only charged to team; not to player.
T for unsporting behavior - charged to player, team, and indirect to HC.
Warning for delay - recorded in book, T charged for any other delay in the game.

What if the kid does it, trying to be cool, but sees the gym's HVAC is blowing the dust back unto the floor, gets this "oh, sh!t" look on his face, and is even on his hands and knees with the custodians trying to help clean it up. Would you still call this "on purpose"? If it's clear the kid didn't mean to delay the game, then you've got accidental in-game court maintenance, which is no different than cleaning up water after the TO, which is only a warning.

Another possible scenario - what if, during player intros, teammates are doing chest bumps and high-fives with each other, but one slips and hits their head on the floor and is knocked unconscious. The start of the game is delayed as the trainer attends to the player. So, since self-aggrandizement and the results delay the start of the game, who do you award the T?

My point is many say "give the kid a T for delaying the start of the game", but you cannot, by rule. It is a team T for delay, and it is not charged to the player. If you go with the unsporting T, what if the results are accidental? Then how is it not a warning first?

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Start a poll?

We could but it might be a waste of time!

[just another ref]

Time is up. Poll closed.

T 0

No T 1

The no's have it. Don't waste any more of that guy's time and bandwidth.

[WIRef]

What if, during introductions, Billy (star player) sees his girlfriend Cindy (hot cheerleader across court) flirting with another guy (visiting team fan)? He throws open water bottle at her, gets water on floor. He did not think the water would hit the floor, only her. She goes to gymnastic equipment to get powder to throw back, and gets it in the water. She did not think it would get on the floor, only him. Now we have a mess on the floor. Do we T or warn Billy, Cindy or the visiting team/fan? Man Oh Man! This used to be a good forum for rules interpretations, but sometimes turns into more of a chat room for bored officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by WIRef

What if, during introductions, Billy (star player) sees his girlfriend Cindy (hot cheerleader across court) flirting with another guy (visiting team fan)?

Just to let you all know, Cindy and I have patched things up. We have a date tonight. Since spring training has begun, I'm going to try to steal third base.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by WIRef

This used to be a good forum for rules interpretations, but sometimes turns into more of a chat room for bored officials.

Wait until late April. It will get a lot worse, and I'll be leading the parade, but with no images this year.

[mutantducky]

ha. this story is funny. I'm going to tell the people I play ball with about it. I wonder if LeBron uses something different because that has to go on the court as well. Maybe one day the stat and tv people will sue him because they inhaled so much chalk or whatever it is he uses.