"interesting calls"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A1 goes in for a layup and B1 goes up and tries to block it, hitting the backboard in the process (same side as the shot). He hit it very lightly. Lead official blows his whistle and calls a T.

"Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." (Oliver Hardy, 1930)

Is this the same official from the original post? If so, what part of one of this season's Points of Emphasis did he, or she, not understand?

4. SLAPPING THE BACKBOARD. The incidents of players slapping the backboard are increasing throughout the country. The rules specify that “intentionally slapping or striking the backboard” is a technical foul (10-3-5). The spirit and intent of that rule is to penalize a player for drawing attention to him/herself or as a means of venting frustration. A player who strikes the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block a try for goal should not be penalized. Basket interference cannot be ruled in either of the above situations. Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6).

[Adam]

One of the vasity officials was there really early (I was on the JV game) and came in with us at the end of the third quarter. When the frosh guys came in, he brought it up an dealt with it. I didn't have to find out, that way, and we were able to focus on our own pregame.

I think he had heard the calling official tell his partner, "he wasn't trying to block it." My thought (and he concurred) was that if it's even close, benefit goes to a no-call there.

[Texas Aggie]

during a stopped clock, dead ball period, when substitutes are reporting, and replacing players, the officials should always be making eye contact with each other.

I STRONGLY disagree with this. The officials should be watching the PLAYERS, not each other. Eye contact isn't necessary until right before you put the ball into play.

In this situation, its as much the responsibility of the official administering the throw in to make sure only 5 of each team are on the court as it is the other official(s). These problems happen because people get in too big of a hurry. Slow down, make sure your partner doesn't have his hand up, double check the count of players, THEN put the ball into play. If your partner never puts his hand up with beckoning subs, you need to correct that at halftime or between games, but that doesn't mean you completely ignore how many players are on the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I STRONGLY disagree with this. The officials should be watching the PLAYERS, not each other. Eye contact isn't necessary until right before you put the ball into play. In this situation, its as much the responsibility of the official administering the throw in to make sure only 5 of each team are on the court as it is the other official(s). These problems happen because people get in too big of a hurry. Slow down, make sure your partner doesn't have his hand up, double check the count of players, THEN put the ball into play. If your partner never puts his hand up with beckoning subs, you need to correct that at halftime or between games, but that doesn't mean you completely ignore how many players are on the floor.

All good points. Rookie officials, please take note. This is a classic example of preventative officiating, in this case preventing having to penalize with a technical foul for having six players on the court.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." (Oliver Hardy, 1930)

Is this the same official from the original post? If so, what part of one of this season's Points of Emphasis did he, or she, not understand?

4. SLAPPING THE BACKBOARD. The incidents of players slapping the backboard are increasing throughout the country. The rules specify that “intentionally slapping or striking the backboard” is a technical foul (10-3-5). The spirit and intent of that rule is to penalize a player for drawing attention to him/herself or as a means of venting frustration. A player who strikes the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block a try for goal should not be penalized. Basket interference cannot be ruled in either of the above situations. Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6).

I had this chat with a fellow official the other day. If the ball is in the imaginary cylinder, but not on or within the basket, and the ring is contacted (i.e. pulled down or grasped), is it BI?

On an unrelated point, I had one the other day where a kid went up for a dunk. As he tried to flush it, the ball bounced up about two feet above the rim. His hand grabbed the rim for a split second before he let it go, and the ball falls in immediately. Of course the idiots on the stands are yelling "That's goaltending!"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by zm1283

If the ball is in the imaginary cylinder, but not on or within the basket, and the ring is contacted (i.e. pulled down or grasped), is it BI?

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

The person I was discussing this with said that touching the basket with the ball in the cylinder was BI. I disagreed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The person I was discussing this with said that touching the basket with the ball in the cylinder was BI. I disagreed.

"You are correct, sir." (Ed McMahon)

[Forksref]

I don't count 10 players. I take each hand (5 fingers) and make sure that each hand matches the number of players of each team before the ball becomes alive.

The lower the level of ball, the less likely that players know who they are going in for or those being replaced knowing they are being replaced. They also are less likely to RUN on the floor and off the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Forksref

I don't count 10 players. I take each hand (5 fingers) and make sure that each hand matches the number of players of each team before the ball becomes alive.

If there are more than ten players, do you take off a shoe, and begin to count toes?

Note to Mark Padgett: Don't even think about it. We all know what's on your mind, given a straight line like this.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I had this chat with a fellow official the other day. If the ball is in the imaginary cylinder, but not on or within the basket, and the ring is contacted (i.e. pulled down or grasped), is it BI?

Only if the ball strikes the ring before it returns to its normal position.

Originally Posted by zm1283

On an unrelated point, I had one the other day where a kid went up for a dunk. As he tried to flush it, the ball bounced up about two feet above the rim. His hand grabbed the rim for a split second before he let it go, and the ball falls in immediately. Of course the idiots on the stands are yelling "That's goaltending!"

It might have been offensive BI for the same reason as given above.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Only if the ball strikes the ring before it returns to its normal position.



It might have been offensive BI for the same reason as given above.

No, on that one the rim returned to its normal position before the ball went in. I was L so it wasn't my call either way.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

No, on that one the rim returned to its normal position before the ball went in. I was L so it wasn't my call either way.

Given that you were in the Lead position, some people might ask why you observed this action.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Given that you were in the Lead position, some people might ask why you observed this action.

It was in transition. I was running along with the player that did it. There was no one around him to foul him so it was all that was going on.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It was in transition. I was running along with the player that did it. There was no one around him to foul him so it was all that was going on.

If that was the case, then why do you believe that BI was not your responsibility?