First time leaving a gym while looking over my shoulder

[BktBallRef]

Can anyone tell me why don't coaches teach their players how to strategically foul in the final minutes? Do teams still practice everyday after school?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Can anyone tell me why don't coaches teach their players how to strategically foul in the final minutes? Do teams still practice everyday after school?

Great question. As a former coach, I think sometimes as the kids get older, coaches assumed they knew/have been taught the basics and they move on to intricate things.

For example when I coached 15U I would watch kids at the first practice and see how they shot foul shots, made bounce passes, chest passes, played defense, dribbled, etc. and would work with them on fundamentals. Many other coaches would immediately work on their 15 different sets of offenses and defenses and over-complicate things. You must understand the basics first.

These same coaches may not teach strategy and what to do in certain situations as they again assume players know what to do when they yell - "FOUL HIM!" It starts at the beginning. JMO

[Jmuvol]

jeschmit, first let me congratulate you on getting to the national championships. I have worked for a long time in collegiate rec and still do. Knowing how most of the group in here feel about coaches on an "organized" level, let me remind you that Intramural "coaches" are less than worthless. They are someone on the teams boyfriend who has played so they "know" the rules. If they dress up with a shirt and tie, look out!

My run for the hills story goes back about 12 years to when I was in grad school in Virginia. Working an AAU 11 & Under state semi game. One team was sponsored by a Baptist church. We had to be escorted out of the gym when it was all said and done. Game management asked the pastor to leave with about 3 minutes to go in the game. The three of us decided we were going to that church the next day. We wanted to sit in the back, boo and yell at the pastor during his surmon...

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Can anyone tell me why don't coaches teach their players how to strategically foul in the final minutes? Do teams still practice everyday after school?

I was at an 8th grade girls game recently where the opposing team decided to foul at the end of the game and the coach was yelling out "grab their jersey!" This was after one of his girls got called for an intention foul for grabbing one of our girls from behind by her pony tail.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

I was at an 8th grade girls game recently where the opposing team decided to foul at the end of the game and the coach was yelling out "grab their jersey!" This was after one of his girls got called for an intention foul for grabbing one of our girls from behind by her pony tail.

Hard to coach it when you don't know it.

[BillyMac]

Back when I was a middle school coach, we would take an hour every season to go over late game situations. I would put one minute on the scoreboard clock, and a score, usually somewhere between a one point and a five point difference. We would talk about, and practice, how we would approach this situation if it ever happened in a real game. When ahead, we had a play called "15 Layup", where my players were only allowed to take a wide open layup, no other kind of shot. If, for whatever reason, a player chose to take some other type of shot, even if the ball went in, the rest of the team ran, while the offender was encouraged to get a drink of water. When behind, we practiced unintentional intentional fouls. Back then, if coaches yelled, "Foul", officials would call an intentional foul, so we had a play called, "Steal the ball", which was really code for "Foul". We practiced how to foul in these situations, don't grab a jersey, or push from behind, or bear hug the offensive player. Instead slap at the offensive player's forearm, with an exaggerated upward, and downward, motion, making sure to make some skin to skin contact, even better if the slap resulted in a slapping sound.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Can anyone tell me why don't coaches teach their players how to strategically foul in the final minutes? Do teams still practice everyday after school?

Good point. It's part of the complete coaching job to be ready for these situations. When I coached, we covered all situations at the end of a game.

Just from a coaching standpoint, we won a game by fouling (made sure we were going for the ball) when we had a 3 point lead and less than 10 seconds left. Only could get 2 at the line. Wonder why more coaches don't do that.

Reffing a V tournament game last year: I had one where the player was dribbling up court and the opponent from behind grabbed the shoulder of the A player. The coach couldn't understand why it was an intentional foul.

In the OP, it was intentional unless the ball was hidden under the jersey (going for the ball).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Unless the ball was hidden under the jersey.

Nice to see another Harlem Globetrotter fan out there. Now, if the Harlem Globetrotters are playing on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, as they have done in real life, and they are slowly bringing up the ball against a Washington Generals full court press, and the official is up to a count of nine on a ten second count, and the aircraft carrier crosses the International Date Line from East to West, at 2:00 a.m., on the second Sunday in March, when we switch to Daylight Saving Time, does the ten second count continue?

[ODJ]

When I know the situation is coming, and I have the opportunity, I ask the coach.
Not enough of us (and I'm guilty too) don't call the first purpose foul which leads the players to go for the harder foul and the cries of intentional.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Not enough of us don't call the first purpose foul which leads the players to go for the harder foul and the cries of intentional.

Sounds like we're on the same wavelength. From my pregame:

Near the end of the game, if the winning team is just holding the ball and is willing to take the free throws after strategic fouls, then let’s call the foul immediately, so the ballhandler doesn't get hit harder to draw a whistle. Let’s make sure there is a play on the ball by the defense. If there’s no play on the ball, if the defense grabs the jersey, or pushes from behind, or bear hugs the offensive player, we should consider an intentional foul. These are not basketball plays and should be penalized as intentional.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice to see another Harlem Globetrotter fan out there. Now, if the Harlem Globetrotters are playing on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, as they have done in real life, and they are slowly bringing up the ball against a Washington Generals full court press, and the official is up to a count of nine on a ten second count, and the aircraft carrier crosses the International Date Line from East to West, at 2:00 a.m., on the second Sunday in March, when we switch to Daylight Saving Time, does the ten second count continue?

Please don't tell me you're a math teacher! You sound like my math professor from hell during my college days!

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice to see another Harlem Globetrotter fan out there. Now, if the Harlem Globetrotters are playing on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, as they have done in real life, and they are slowly bringing up the ball against a Washington Generals full court press, and the official is up to a count of nine on a ten second count, and the aircraft carrier crosses the International Date Line from East to West, at 2:00 a.m., on the second Sunday in March, when we switch to Daylight Saving Time, does the ten second count continue?

Pardon me, I missed your question. I was trying to avoid getting hit by a bucket of confetti.

Ok, back to the question. I believe they were playing the Atlantic City Seagulls, and to say that the Globetrotters opponents were really playing any kind of defense is a stretch.

Was that an American or Japanese carrier?