3 seconds question

[bas2456]

Art. 1. A player shall not be permitted to have any part of his or her body
remain in the three-second lane for more than three consecutive seconds
while the ball is in control of that player’s team in his or her front court.

This is the NCAA rule for the 3 second violation. I'm assuming that a player who is in possession of the ball can also be called for 3 seconds.

Is this the same in NFHS?

[Adam]

Yes, that's why there's a provision for suspending the count when the player is driving to the basket. IOW, if A1 catches the ball after being in there for 2 seconds, and immediately drives to the basket; you suspend the count. If, however, he stops driving and picks up his dribble, looking for someone to pass to, you start the count where you suspended it.

[bas2456]

So would it be correct to say that if A1 catches the ball at the high post with one foot in the lane, stands for two seconds, then starts a drive, staying in the lane the whole time, then picks up his dribble while still in the lane, that a 3 second count would be suspended when he starts his drive and restarted when he stops? This is similar to the 5 second closely-guarded violation, no?

Does that make sense?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, that's why there's a provision for suspending the count when the player is driving to the basket. IOW, if A1 catches the ball after being in there for 2 seconds, and immediately drives to the basket; you suspend the count. If, however, he stops driving and picks up his dribble, looking for someone to pass to, you start the count where you suspended it.

Really?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Really?

yes, it's a suspended count, not terminated. It doesn't terminate unless he shoots or gets out of the lane.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

So would it be correct to say that if A1 catches the ball at the high post with one foot in the lane, stands for two seconds, then starts a drive, staying in the lane the whole time, then picks up his dribble while still in the lane, that a 3 second count would be suspended when he starts his drive and restarted when he stops? This is similar to the 5 second closely-guarded violation, no?

Does that make sense?

You're correct in red, but not in blue. You never suspend a 5 second closely guarded. You'll either continue counting or terminate and start over. Just because a player is advancing with the ball does not mean a 5 second count should be stopped.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

yes, it's a suspended count, not terminated. It doesn't terminate unless he shoots or gets out of the lane.

reference please?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by smokeeater

reference please?

9-7-3

[Coach Bill]

Is a drop-step move, or an up and under, etc... considered a drive to the basket?

For example, player in the lane for about 2.5 seconds, catches the ball, dribbles to the middle and drop-steps to the baseline and shoots, taking about 1 second to complete this move. Should there be a three seconds violation before the shot?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

reference please?

The word suspended is not in here but:

NCAA Rule 9 Section 9. Three-Second Rule
Art. 2. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the three-second lane for less than three seconds, dribbles or moves in immediately to try for field goal.
a. The player shall not pass the ball instead of trying for goal.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The word suspended is not in here but:

NCAA Rule 9 Section 9. Three-Second Rule
Art. 2. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the threesecond lane for less than three seconds, dribbles or moves in immediately to try for field goal.
a. The player shall not pass the ball instead of trying for goal.

Anyone have a Fed reference?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Anyone have a Fed reference?

Sure, here:

Originally Posted by Rule 9-7-3

Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure, here:

I think what everyone is asking is what does the word "allowance" mean?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I think what everyone is asking is what does the word "allowance" mean?

In the NCAA rule book 9-9.2a provides parameters.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I think what everyone is asking is what does the word "allowance" mean?

It means keep the count going, but don't call the violation unless / until there's not a try (or an attempt to work open for a try) by the player in the lane.