technical fouls from a coaches perspective

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

Know that I took nothing to offense. There are many times my coaching counterparts go well beyond the line. The bad thing is that they are not dealt with. It tells the coaches their behavior is ok and will be tolerated. I have put more effort in to coaching my kids than acting like a jack@$$. In fact, the association that handles our games have problems recruiting and maintaining officials. I think the abuse they continue to take has alot to do with it.

In my earlier days, I worked as a youth counselor in two different institutions for the State of WI. One location was filled with "rookies" and the other had many veteran counselors. In the first location the "inmates ran the asylum" the second had a sense of order and much more habilitation occurred. I offer this analogy because it appears that your location suffers a similar dilemma and, sadly, it will continue to struggle until a core of veterans comes in and establishes a higher threshold. Best wishes with that.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by williebfree

In my earlier days, I worked as a youth counselor in two different institutions for the State of WI. One location was filled with "rookies" and the other had many veteran counselors. In the first location the "inmates ran the asylum" the second had a sense of order and much more habilitation occurred. I offer this analogy because it appears that your location suffers a similar dilemma and, sadly, it will continue to struggle until a core of veterans comes in and establishes a higher threshold. Best wishes with that.

Heck we have that in my area and its unecessary. The assignor WANTS us to take care of business. Our vets tend to be college guys ,and in our area the coaches run the college show, and so that attitude tends to have the trickle down effect to the HS game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by williebfree

In my earlier days, I worked as a youth counselor in two different institutions for the State of WI. One location was filled with "rookies" and the other had many veteran counselors. In the first location the "inmates ran the asylum" the second had a sense of order and much more habilitation occurred. I offer this analogy because it appears that your location suffers a similar dilemma and, sadly, it will continue to struggle until a core of veterans comes in and establishes a higher threshold. Best wishes with that.

I live in Wisconsin and while I am not happy with a lot of things revolving around what you say above, I do not let it affect me one bit. I'd rather quit than let a rating or a conference commissioner blacklist affect how I run a game.

There's a local conference I do not work (that I would like to work) and it's because I gave an USC flag (in football) to the league's prima donna head coach -- and his athletic director was and is too much of a puppet to do what's right. My only regret is that I didn't eject the coach, cause he sure had it coming. But I didn't avoid it because of ratings or a desire to work the conference, I was just stunned that someone could act so badly on a field and I missed my opportunity to send the right message.

BTW, this coach has rated me every year since then even though he has never seen me work since, which is against policy. Again, the athletic director made excuses for him rather than take care of the problem.

So just take care of business and work the other schools.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I live in Wisconsin and while I am not happy with a lot of things revolving around what you say above, I do not let it affect me one bit. I'd rather quit than let a rating or a conference commissioner blacklist affect how I run a game.

There's a local conference I do not work (that I would like to work) and it's because I gave an USC flag (in football) to the league's prima donna head coach -- and his athletic director was and is too much of a puppet to do what's right. My only regret is that I didn't eject the coach, cause he sure had it coming. But I didn't avoid it because of ratings or a desire to work the conference, I was just stunned that someone could act so badly on a field and I missed my opportunity to send the right message.

BTW, this coach has rated me every year since then even though he has never seen me work since, which is against policy. Again, the athletic director made excuses for him rather than take care of the problem.

So just take care of business and work the other schools.

I'm probably a little tired due to the end of season and whatnot but that is really disappointing to me that people like the coach get away with crap like that. Talk about small and petty.

The whole friggin world seems to be running out of people who do the right thing.

I'll have to find a website of "doing the right thing" people to restore my faith in humanity.

[deecee]

Especially if its given by this guy.

[Welpe]

From a coach's perspective? I believe this is a bit more accurate.




Sorry, it's a Friday after a very long week...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Sorry, it's a Friday after a very long week...

At least the A-11 is going away.

[tarheelcoach]

I had one T in 10 years coaching. I did get thrown out of one baseball game, though.

How did I feel about it? Even though it was pretty much planned to keep my players in the game, I still felt embarrassed by it. No animosity towards the official.

As a coach, I never bothered to 'work' the officials - what a waste of time. At first, I completely ignored the officials. Then, during a winless season out of desperation for an edge, I really studied the rulebook closely and began to TALK to the officials about rules. I actually got some calls changed that way.

What I've found now that I officiate is that the guys that chirp the most are the ones who don't know how to coach. They don't have anything to say to their players, so they yell at the officials.

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I live in Wisconsin and while I am not happy with a lot of things revolving around what you say above, I do not let it affect me one bit. I'd rather quit than let a rating or a conference commissioner blacklist affect how I run a game...

So just take care of business and work the other schools.

I understand what you are saying... and agree.

I am a late bloomer as an official. I did not blow my first whistle until I was 35 yrs old, so I am not as "networked" as many my age. At this point, I believe I have established a positive reputation as I am getting a greater amount of contracts each year. Additionally, my age and life experiences have made me a much more grounded person and do not hesitate to "do the right thing" and TCOB. One example of this is my active role of informing ADs about their lower level coaches & players conduct (positive or negative). I have also sent numerous Positive Sports PLUS reports to the WIAA (one was recently published in the Bulletin).

I sincerely do not spend much time worrying about what a coach is going to rate me either. The sad part is that they are involved in the process at all.

[tballump]

Well, I'll tell you how vindictive these coaches can be. There was an official who once was a collegiate basketball D1 player. He got into a fight in a game with the other teams player.
He went on to become a fine official and worked the NCAA II finals in Kansas. He applied to officiate in the D1 conference he had played in. However, it only took one coaches 'no' vote and you could not join the conference. It was also acceptable for an official not to work a particular game if there might be a conflict between official and coach. You would just work all the other teams. Hank Nichols worked this conference and he also went to school in this conference. Seven of the coaches knew he was a fine official and voted for him. However, this one coach would not let this fine official in, not because of his officiating abilities, but because of that fight years before against his team. I will not mention that coach by name (2nd winningest D1 coach of all time), nor the official or the conference. However, this just shows the what these coaches can do to a fine official and how they hold a grudge. But yes, it is their right to do this, vote someone out for any reason whatsoever, valid or unvalid.

[tballump]

Same type of thing happened when George Solomon gave Knight a T back in the 80's and was run out of D1 ball.