Over the back, ON the back RM article

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

But what about the very next section - 4-24-1: "It is legal to extend the arms vertically above the shoulders and need not be lowered to avoid contact with an opponent when the action of the opponent cause contact."

That does seem to directly contradict the author.

Which is directly followed by ...

This legal use of the arms and hands usually occurs when guarding the player making a throw-in, the player with the ball in pressing tactics and a player with the ball who is maneuvering to try for goal by pivoting, jumping, etc.

I see the possible distinction between the two rules as the timing of the action. If the arm are up and have been up, it is legal to leave them there...no requirement to get them out of the way. However, a defender will not be allowed to raise them at the time of contact without LGP while a guard with LGP can raise them or jump simply by having LGP without risking a foul.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Which is directly followed by ...

This legal use of the arms and hands usually occurs when guarding the player making a throw-in, the player with the ball in pressing tactics and a player with the ball who is maneuvering to try for goal by pivoting, jumping, etc.

"Usually", but not "limited to".

I understand the specific principle is listed in the "Guarding" section, but given the fact that verticality is also mentioned in the "Hands and Arms" section, I've been under the impression the principle of verticality applied to all players, not simply limited to ones that have obtained LGP.

What would you have, for example, in this play: A1 has inside position on a rebound, B1 is behind A1. B1 reaches for the ball over the top of A1, without displacement, and A1 reaches straight up and contacts B1's arms, knocking the ball loose from B1. Would you have a foul on A1?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

"Usually", but not "limited to".

I understand the specific principle is listed in the "Guarding" section, but given the fact that verticality is also mentioned in the "Hands and Arms" section, I've been under the impression the principle of verticality applied to all players, not simply limited to ones that have obtained LGP.

What would you have, for example, in this play: A1 has inside position on a rebound, B1 is behind A1. B1 reaches for the ball over the top of A1, without displacement, and A1 reaches straight up and contacts B1's arms, knocking the ball loose from B1. Would you have a foul on A1?

Yes, i would.

The difference is that one section talks about the right to actively raise them within the vertical plane if the player has LGP without jeopardy for a foul while the other talks about having them in the vertical plane without jeopardy for a foul.