5 Second Count question

[bas2456]

The way I've always interpreted it is that if the ballhandler makes an obvious move towards the basket, then I stop counting. If he takes one step, or takes a slow step without really making an effort, then I keep counting.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

The way I've always interpreted it is that if the ballhandler makes an obvious move towards the basket, then I stop counting. If he takes one step, or takes a slow step without really making an effort, then I keep counting.

This is incorrect. The defender can stay with the offensive player and mainting his guarding position. The count will continue. You can even have a 5 second violation on a drive to the hoop. The only way the count ends is if the offensive players gets head and shoulders PAST the defender or if the defender loses his legal guarding position or if he backs up more than 6 feet.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by deecee

This is incorrect. The defender can stay with the offensive player and mainting his guarding position. The count will continue. You can even have a 5 second violation on a drive to the hoop. The only way the count ends is if the offensive players gets head and shoulders PAST the defender or if the defender loses his legal guarding position or if he backs up more than 6 feet.

Is there an NFHS rule or interpretation that says this? I don't have a rulebook handy. The NCAA rulebook doesn't say anything about this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Is there an NFHS rule or interpretation that says this? I don't have a rulebook handy. The NCAA rulebook doesn't say anything about this.

What you need to find is the rule or interp that says you suspend the count if they're driving to the basket. As long as all the requirements are being met by the defense, you continue your count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

This is incorrect. The defender can stay with the offensive player and mainting his guarding position. The count will continue. You can even have a 5 second violation on a drive to the hoop. The only way the count ends is if the offensive players gets head and shoulders PAST the defender or if the defender loses his legal guarding position or if he backs up more than 6 feet.

I'm curious, where does it say that when the defender loses LGP the count stops?

More importantly, once LGP is gained, what can he possibly do to lose it?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

More importantly, once LGP is gained, what can he possibly do to lose it?

He can contact the opponent from the side....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mick

He can contact the opponent from the side....

Wouldn't the count be over by that point?

[Texas Aggie]

In the Fed rules, its stated under the definition of closely guarded in rule 4.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

This is incorrect. The defender can stay with the offensive player and mainting his guarding position. The count will continue. You can even have a 5 second violation on a drive to the hoop. The only way the count ends is if the offensive players gets head and shoulders PAST the defender or if the defender loses his legal guarding position or if he backs up more than 6 feet.

I believe that the requirement is the defender must be within 6 feet (measuring nearest foot to nearest foot). It does not matter whether the offensive player retreats to get more than 6 feet of space or if the defending retreats to give more than 6 feet of space.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

I believe that the requirement is the defender must be within 6 feet (measuring nearest foot to nearest foot). It does not matter whether the offensive player retreats to get more than 6 feet of space or if the defending retreats to give more than 6 feet of space.

yes that too, but i assumed that could be inferred by what i typed.

And a defender can lose his LGP by a quick move and the defender falls, offense gets his head and shoulders past the defender, defender and offensive player move to the same position and collide at the same time, I would put this contact on the defense all the time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes that too, but i assumed that could be inferred by what i typed.

And a defender can lose his LGP by a quick move and the defender falls, offense gets his head and shoulders past the defender, defender and offensive player move to the same position and collide at the same time, I would put this contact on the defense all the time.

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

With the defender on the floor, I could not rationalize continuing the count.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the defender falls, I'm not stopping my count. There is no rule basis for that (unless the dribbler goes past the prone defender).
And where does it say a defender who has fallen has lost his LGP?

I disagree here. I do think lying prone on the ground is NOT playing defense. No count from me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I disagree here. I do think lying prone on the ground is NOT playing defense. No count from me.

So a player falls due to balance (a great move, if you want) and immediately gets up. You're starting a new count?