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[beachbum]

I just finished my second year, so bear with me, and this question may need to be answered by coaches or former coaches.


why is it that when coaches are loosing a game, they seem to blame the officials for their problems? they will make statements like "this is the worst officiating I have seen".

Most coaches will admit, in a non game situation that without exception, officials try to call the games fair. yet, during the game they act as though we are being paid to make the outcome different.

Then the game ends, and the same coaches will say "good game ref", like nothing happened. If we acted like them, we would be banned from the sport!!!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by beachbum

I just finished my second year, so bear with me, and this question may need to be answered by coaches or former coaches.


why is it that when coaches are loosing a game, they seem to blame the officials for their problems? they will make statements like "this is the worst officiating I have seen".

Most coaches will admit, in a non game situation that without exception, officials try to call the games fair. yet, during the game they act as though we are being paid to make the outcome different.

Then the game ends, and the same coaches will say "good game ref", like nothing happened. If we acted like them, we would be banned from the sport!!!

Uhh, they're emotional and have a vested interest in the outcome of the game? That's why you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. Listen to them and respond if necessary (If asked a question), but remember that they are usually venting. Who else are they going to let out their steam on? They should let it out on their players for playing so badly, but some of them won't do that, so they use you for it. Just take it in stride, it isn't personal. (Most of the time)

[grunewar]

Remember, other than the officials and maybe security, everyone else in the gym is watching the game with their eyes and their heart. They have put their sweat and hard work into the game and want to do well and win. When things don't go according to plan, sometimes, they (includes parents and players) might not see clearly and their judgment may become clouded - they have to vent somewhere.

Officials on the other hand are supposed to watch the game with their eyes and their brain and are not supposed to have a vested interest in the outcome. We remain neutral and unemotional.

Get used to it and let it go. Next week when they win, they'll love ya just as much as they hated you last week!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The same goes for fans.

Right, I just don't give a rip what they say. They can go jump in a lake. Coaches at least deserve dialogue if they're being respectful and not making statements the entire game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Right, I just don't give a rip what they say. They can go jump in a lake. Coaches at least deserve dialogue if they're being respectful and not making statements the entire game.

They also have a responsibility that fans don't have; to treat us with respect. Coach tells me I'm the worst official ever, he's gotten personal, and he's earned himself a seat on the bench.

If he accuses me of cheating, my only decision is whether or not the T will be flagrant. Emotions are no excuse for poor sportsmanship.

[Fritz]

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

Have coaches send in game tape for proof. The ones that lie will be exposed as frauds.

[bc7]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

Are you sure he didn't write on the wrong cards? It seems like the things he put on your card were what he felt about your partner, and vise versa.

Just my 0.02.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game.

A youth league that gets coaches' feedback on officials, and requires you to pass out the cards? I wouldn't work that league.

[Man In Blue]

Originally Posted by Fritz

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

I always saw 6th grade girls are the most difficult to do. Their moms are the worst.

You are thinking too much about what the coaches say and do. The toughest part of this job is trusting your self evaluation.

You have to get to a point where you look at your performance and ask yourself- was I in position to make the right call? Do I hustle to get into position? Do I KNOW the rules? Did I have a bad game and what can I do to get better.

If you don't let a lot of this roll off of your back being an official will not be fun. If it is not fun you need to get out. Same for all of us.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by beachbum

why is it that when coaches are loosing a game, they seem to blame the officials for their problems?

Because their egos are too big to allow them to blame themselves. Many of them have an ego as big as a zip code.

Of course, my ego is as big as a continent (not Europe - Antarctica).

[PaREF]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the concept of "working the officials". It seems as though basketball coaches, more so than other sports, are either expected to "work the officials" or actually think that complaining to officials will get them some calls. I don't know how many times I have heard that expression from television commentators or print columnists.

Our local paper has a couple of know-it-all writers who are absolutely convinced that one of the main responsibilities that coaches have is to work the officials. They practically worship the out-of-control, idiot coaches in the area who make a spectacle of themselves raling at officials during games. It is enough to make me sick, and I'm not even a basketball official (I work volleyball but love to read the basketball posts here!).

So understand that some coaches feel pressure to complain to officials so as not to be seen as weak or ineffective. All you have to do is just ask any reporter and they will gladly tell you that it is a time-honored tradition and most of all, very effective. Of course, none of them have ever officiated any contest of any level of any sport in their lives.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by PaREF

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the concept of "working the officials". It seems as though basketball coaches, more so than other sports, are either expected to "work the officials" or actually think that complaining to officials will get them some calls. I don't know how many times I have heard that expression from television commentators or print columnists.

So understand that some coaches feel pressure to complain to officials so as not to be seen as weak or ineffective. All you have to do is just ask any reporter and they will gladly tell you that it is a time-honored tradition and most of all, very effective. Of course, none of them have ever officiated any contest of any level of any sport in their lives.

There's no doubt some truth to this- that some coaches try to "work" the officials. It may be more prevalent at higher levels and pro ball. But it's a ridiculous and hair brained concept. The very idea suggests that referee's blow calls all the time, and if I as a coach complain enough, that I will get some calls later to go my way that I otherwise wouldn't have. Stupid, stupid, stupid. In the first place, all the studies that have been done always conclude that you guys are correct way more than you're not on calls.

Yes, we do feel some "pressure" sometimes to voice an objection. I can't speak for all coaches, but I can tell you that this "pressure" has nothing to do with the people in the stands, ot reporters. It's the pressure that comes from wanting our players to understand and feel like we (coaches) have their back, and if they've been unfairly penalized, we might say something in support of them.

I coach girls. And one big difference is that girls don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care. Boys don't have to like their coach in order to "run through the wall." They just love to compete. But girls (at least the ones who never play past HS) are not that competetive and what they think of their coach actually influences how hard they play. So every now and then I will make a little fuss on behalf of a player because I want them to know I care. I admit, I'm usually acting when I do that. And it's not like I'm going over the top, as I've only been whacked 2 times in 8 seasons.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by beachbum

I just finished my second year, so bear with me, and this question may need to be answered by coaches or former coaches.

why is it that when coaches are loosing a game, they seem to blame the officials for their problems? they will make statements like "this is the worst officiating I have seen".

Most coaches will admit, in a non game situation that without exception, officials try to call the games fair. yet, during the game they act as though we are being paid to make the outcome different.

Then the game ends, and the same coaches will say "good game ref", like nothing happened. If we acted like them, we would be banned from the sport!!!

I'm a coach, so allow me to please take a crack at this despite my handicap. Generally speaking, referee's are not emotionally engaged with the outcome of a game, or the performance of the players. Coaches are emotionally involved. And despite our obvious flaws, personality defects and tendency to howl like monkeys, we are people to, capable of behaving like dumb asses.

This is apparently a difficult concept, but when ordinary average people (non-refs) are emtionally involved with something, they can sometimes be guilty of going too far and behaving like howler monkeys.

As far as a comment like, "this is the worst officiating I've ever seen," well maybe it was, but I doubt it very much, as these coaches probably say that again and again. You don't actually believe there's no such thing as a lousy ref do you? ANd I'm not talking about intent, everyone desires to perform well at whatever they do, but of course not everyone can.

The fact is just like there are lousy teams and awful coaches, there are actually referee's who are crappy. But that should never give any coach license to proclaim it out loud. I've come to the conclusion that a bad referee is just bad, not biased, not cheating, just lousy. He's bad on both ends of the court, but he's out there doing the best he can. And coaches who don't get that after a few seasons are idiots in my opinion.

Seriously, if I was in your shoes, I'd find it very difficult to maintain composure like you guys do in the face of stupid comments and accusations. But then you're not emotionally involved in the game so that must make it a little easier to suffer fools.

I've found ref's 2-3 times after games this season to apologize for something I've said. Obviously nothing that bad, as I've only been whacked 2 times in 8 years and not at all this season. A good rule of thumb I believe is that if I wouln't make the comment outside on the street to another grown man, then I have no business making it in the gym during a game. It's about basic respect. Kids come and go. Games come and go. But you (Ref) and I (coach) are going to be here a while (year after year) and I'd be an idiot to cultivate an atmosphere of hostility (wait... I'm a coach & that qualifies me automatically in here).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

As far as a comment like, "this is the worst officiating I've ever seen," well maybe it was, but I doubt it very much, as these coaches probably say that again and again. You don't actually believe there's no such thing as a lousy ref do you? ANd I'm not talking about intent, everyone desires to perform well at whatever they do, but of course not everyone can.

Actually I saw a "bad" official this weekend. Granted it was a lower level game and the person has the potential to get better, but he was off in so many ways with his basic judgment and basic understanding of the game.

I see bad coaches all the time and I would never tell that to their face or openly in public even if I feel that way strongly. That is ultimately the point that in my opinion the OPer was trying to make IMHO. Even if we feel a certain way about a coach, we are not likely to say that to a coach. And if we did we would be expected to hear about it from the right people. Coaches say those things a lot and nothing happens to them in many cases.

I think a lot of us are tired of the double standard that is widely held.

Peace