Chastised for double T on Coach

[BktBallRef]

I have no problem with the second T.

I'm not so sure I would have called the first one.

Also, why did you go back to L after the first T?

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I have no problem with the second T.

I'm not so sure I would have called the first one.

Also, why did you go back to L after the first T?

I headed back to administer the T's....My partner should have been enroute to "seatbelt" the coach, but wasn't...I should probably have stayed deaf and let him hit him with the 2nd T.

Why not the first T? You think he gets a pass for calling me an idiot in front of his bench?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

I headed back to administer the T's....My partner should have been enroute to "seatbelt" the coach, but wasn't...I should probably have stayed deaf and let him hit him with the 2nd T.

Why not the first T? You think he gets a pass for calling me an idiot in front of his bench?

I would've let my partner administer the technicals and taken the spot at the division line if the coach I just whacked was at the same end as the FTs (which it would be in the first half). I just try to put as much distance between myself and the coach as possible in these situations.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I would've let my partner administer the technicals and taken the spot at the division line if the coach I just whacked was at the same end as the FTs (which it would be in the first half). I just try to put as much distance between myself and the coach as possible in these situations.

Good points, RichMSN....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

I headed back to administer the T's....My partner should have been enroute to "seatbelt" the coach, but wasn't...I should probably have stayed deaf and let him hit him with the 2nd T.

Why not the first T? You think he gets a pass for calling me an idiot in front of his bench?

You said, "he is standing behind me (lead, administering) whispers "Idiot."

Doesn't sound like he was addressing you. May not have even been talking about you. Since you were administering the FTs, my guess is you didn't make the foul call. If he yells "Idiot!" that's one thing. But a whisper? No. Now, I might turn and ask, "I'm sorry coach. Did you say something?"

I guess you were there but I can't say that I would have called that one. And I'm as quick triggered as anybody.

And I agree with Rich. You should have gone opposite and gotten away from him. We don't tell coaches they have to sit down. They already know. If we resume play and he's still standing, that's a little different. Now one of us is going to tell him to sit as we pass by. But to go to him and tell him he has to sit onoly gives him more opportunity to whine and complain.

JMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You said, "he is standing behind me (lead, administering) whispers "Idiot."

Doesn't sound like he was addressing you. May not have even been talking about you. Since you were administering the FTs, my guess is you didn't make the foul call. If he yells "Idiot!" that's one thing. But a whisper? No. Now, I might turn and ask, "I'm sorry coach. Did you say something?"

I guess you were there but I can't say that I would have called that one. And I'm as quick triggered as anybody.

I do not totally disagree, but even if he was not talking to him or anyone directly, that does not give him the right to run his mouth. And if you do not want people to misconstrue your comments, then keep them to yourself. We are not the only people out there that the term, "You cannot quote silence" means for. And I am the kind of person that gets no pleasure out of giving Ts. Half the time I find other ways to handle situation which work very well for me.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And I agree with Rich. You should have gone opposite and gotten away from him. We don't tell coaches they have to sit down. They already know. If we resume play and he's still standing, that's a little different. Now one of us is going to tell him to sit as we pass by. But to go to him and tell him he has to sit onoly gives him more opportunity to whine and complain.

JMO.

You would be surprised how many coaches do not know this rule or know what it means. I think most coaches know, but if they continue to stand and they have not been informed, then they will claim they did not know what they were doing on the next T. I have no problem telling a coach to sit down, but it should come from the other official, not the calling official.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

I guess as you often suggest, things are different in different areas. Very rarely do we have to tell a coach to sit down here.

Either way, I'm not going to immediately go to him after the T, tell him he has to sit and give him an opportunity to continue to whine. As I said, if we start play and he's still standing, then one of us will run by and seat him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I guess as you often suggest, things are different in different areas. Very rarely do we have to tell a coach to sit down here.

Either way, I'm not going to immediately go to him after the T, tell him he has to sit and give him an opportunity to continue to whine. As I said, if we start play and he's still standing, then one of us will run by and seat him.

You are absolutely correct, things are different. And the kind of games coaches play I am sure are different as well.

But as I said, even if he went across the court, that does not give the coach the right to say what they want. If we have rules that want us to go into huddles and penalize coaches for language we are 50 feet from, then coaches need to watch what they say only 20 feet from the officials towards or around them.

Peace

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You said, "he is standing behind me (lead, administering) whispers "Idiot."

Doesn't sound like he was addressing you. May not have even been talking about you. Since you were administering the FTs, my guess is you didn't make the foul call. If he yells "Idiot!" that's one thing. But a whisper? No. Now, I might turn and ask, "I'm sorry coach. Did you say something?"

I guess you were there but I can't say that I would have called that one. And I'm as quick triggered as anybody.

And I agree with Rich. You should have gone opposite and gotten away from him. We don't tell coaches they have to sit down. They already know. If we resume play and he's still standing, that's a little different. Now one of us is going to tell him to sit as we pass by. But to go to him and tell him he has to sit onoly gives him more opportunity to whine and complain.

JMO.

We had a disagreement over a correctable error (failure to award merited FT), and he was pulling situations out of his "gazoo." I stayed firm, and we started to shoot the 1l1,,,that's why he snuck up behind and whispered, "Idiot." Maybe I should have ignored it, since it was only a whisper, but if the mercury in my thermometer shoots through the roof, I T...and it did....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

We had a disagreement over a correctable error (failure to award merited FT), and he was pulling situations out of his "gazoo." I stayed firm, and we started to shoot the 1l1,,,that's why he snuck up behind and whispered, "Idiot." Maybe I should have ignored it, since it was only a whisper, but if the mercury in my thermometer shoots through the roof, I T...and it did....

Me, too.

[zm1283]

I can handle a good deal of chirping from coaches, and I'll let them ask questions all day if they want and I'll answer them if I can. On the other hand, when coaches scream or gesture after a call or no-call, I have less patience. I T'd a coach last week for this. He was losing by 20+ in the second half. He hadn't been too bad in the first half, but was chirpy a couple of times...nothing bad though. Second half he had a couple of outbursts where we would make a call and he would yell quite loudly. My partner warned him after one of these. I went to talk to him after a foul on his team he didn't like and he did the old "Number so and so did this, then so and so did this", trying to complain about plays from 10 minutes ago. I told him that I don't know if those were fouls or not, but his player fouled just now.

His team hits a jump shot and I'm the Trail right in front of his bench. Two opposing players get tied up under the basket, and I can't see anything and my partner lets it go. The coach jumps up and starts yelling something about calling ticky tack fouls as I'm heading down the court to be the new Lead. When I'm at about half court, he screams "Blow your whistle!!". I obliged and served T for one and the other team had a little free throw practice.