Chastised for double T on Coach

[JRutledge]

Sometimes you just have to take the information under advisement and do what you feel is best in the end.

Peace

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

1st T: on a 1/1 FT, he is standing behind me (lead, administering) whispers "Idiot." WHACK!.....As I am reporting, and returning to administer T FTs, he asks "What's that for?" I tell him, "I heard the idiot comment, Coach." He immediately jumps back with "You need to learn how to officiate. You're the worst ref I've ever seen!" So I whacked him again, and tossed him. First T's of the year. After faxing in my report, and making a verbal telcal, the next day the State High School office advises that I need to slow down on the second T, and get some distance (which I agree with and try to do) and that I need to swallow my whistle and have a deaf ear (which I don't buy, but I can support their position and philosophy, if so mandated.) I just don't see that the NFHS rules supports that the Coach gets a "free shot" at me once he has earned the first T. Short of the F-Bomb, leave him alone, I was told. Again, I agree you need to give him some room and distance, and time, but I felt his comments were too unsportsmanlike, and in front of the kids. How wrong was I?

Bishop,
You indicated that these were your first T's of the year. Have you ever ejected anyone before (requiring you to complete the paperwork and fax it in)? If the answer is no, I am guessing that you may have gotten the "form letter" that they send all "newer" officials who call both T's on a coach resulting in an ejection. If the answer is that you have several ejections to your credit over the years -- IGNORE the rest of this post!!!

The ideal situation is each T is called by a different official -- this makes the discussion go more smoothly for the association. After all, it wasn't just ONE official who had a problem with the coach, it was TWO.

For the general case, call the T and get away from the coach. OK, makes sense. For the general case, your partner(s) should have your back side covered. OK, fair enough.

I sense that is why you got the response that you did. Had a more experienced official (read as official who has been around for a long time and has handled a number of ejections over the years) made the report that you did, I sense they would have gotten a different response.

We can learn from every situation. Many of your fellow officials have jumped behind your decision in this case. Take that support to heart. After you have several more write-ups to your credit, the association will likely act differently to this type of ejection.

I, like BillyMac, have a thick skin when it comes to coaches comments. At the same time, "idiot!" Not likely to get away with that one. Yikes. "Worst referee I have ever seen." Well, that one I might have just chuckled at hearing (many -- sorry I used this word again, Jurassic, but I think it fits here -- folks have a habit of significantly overusing best/worst/cutest/ugliest and other "est" words). On the other hand, I don't have a problem with you sending him packing for the comment.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Bishop,
You indicated that these were your first T's of the year. Have you ever ejected anyone before (requiring you to complete the paperwork and fax it in)? If the answer is no, I am guessing that you may have gotten the "form letter" that they send all "newer" officials who call both T's on a coach resulting in an ejection. If the answer is that you have several ejections to your credit over the years -- IGNORE the rest of this post!!!

The ideal situation is each T is called by a different official -- this makes the discussion go more smoothly for the association. After all, it wasn't just ONE official who had a problem with the coach, it was TWO.

For the general case, call the T and get away from the coach. OK, makes sense. For the general case, your partner(s) should have your back side covered. OK, fair enough.

I sense that is why you got the response that you did. Had a more experienced official (read as official who has been around for a long time and has handled a number of ejections over the years) made the report that you did, I sense they would have gotten a different response.

We can learn from every situation. Many of your fellow officials have jumped behind your decision in this case. Take that support to heart. After you have several more write-ups to your credit, the association will likely act differently to this type of ejection.

I, like BillyMac, have a thick skin when it comes to coaches comments. At the same time, "idiot!" Not likely to get away with that one. Yikes. "Worst referee I have ever seen." Well, that one I might have just chuckled at hearing (many folks have a habit of significantly overusing best/worst/cutest/ugliest and other "est" words). On the other hand, I don't have a problem with you sending him packing for the comment.

The state requires the form after every ejection....I have ref'd a long time (and may indeed be the WORST official this Coach has ever seen....can't actually dispute that!) So I am experienced in ejections and T's...just not this year....again, I support the State's philosophy and will try to enforce it....but within reason....thanks for the support and responses....

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

1st T: on a 1/1 FT, he is standing behind me (lead, administering) whispers "Idiot." WHACK!.....As I am reporting, and returning to administer T FTs, he asks "What's that for?" I tell him, "I heard the idiot comment, Coach." He immediately jumps back with "You need to learn how to officiate. You're the worst ref I've ever seen!" So I whacked him again, and tossed him. First T's of the year. After faxing in my report, and making a verbal telcal, the next day the State High School office advises that I need to slow down on the second T, and get some distance (which I agree with and try to do) and that I need to swallow my whistle and have a deaf ear (which I don't buy, but I can support their position and philosophy, if so mandated.) I just don't see that the NFHS rules supports that the Coach gets a "free shot" at me once he has earned the first T. Short of the F-Bomb, leave him alone, I was told. Again, I agree you need to give him some room and distance, and time, but I felt his comments were too unsportsmanlike, and in front of the kids. How wrong was I?

Is the person at the State Office an ex-COACH?

[RookieDude]

I pre-game this:

If I have to give a Coach a T...I want to administer the foul shots.

I like to be doing something...other than just standing opposite like a "bump on a log".
IMO...it's more uncomfortable to be just standing there, doing nothing, while the fans are possibly berating you for T'ing up there favorite "cheerleader". I mean, not that being stoned, verbally, by the fans is that big of deal...I just like doing something more constructive than standing there after the big "whack"...it's kinda anti-climatic.

Again, administering the foul shots gives me something to do...I don't have to concentrate on the coach anymore. (That's what my partner's can do)

Now...If I have to give a player a T...I want to talk to the coach. Or, I have no problem talking to the coach. If I have given a T to a player...there is nowayinhell a coach is going to give me grief...the kid deserves it and he knows it.

If the coach needs an explanation on that...no problem.

[Adam]

We discussed this the other day, and administering the free throws could put you in the coach's pocket next time down the court (in the 2nd half). We decided in pregame that it would be better to administer the throwin if the situation was heated.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Is the person at the State Office an ex-COACH?

I think he is a very experienced (and respected) umpire....I really do support him, if this is his philosophy....I just wish and hope he tells the coaches that they don't get "carte blanche" after one T....short of the F-Bomb...for the next several minutes...They need to know it's hands off....But he's in charge, and I will do all I can to muzzle myself...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

I think he is a very experienced (and respected) umpire....I really do support him, if this is his philosophy....I just wish and hope he tells the coaches that they don't get "carte blanche" after one T....short of the F-Bomb...for the next several minutes...They need to know it's hands off....But he's in charge, and I will do all I can to muzzle myself...

Tell him to sign up for this forum and we'll straighten him out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

I think he is a very experienced (and respected) umpire....I really do support him, if this is his philosophy....I just wish and hope he tells the coaches that they don't get "carte blanche" after one T....short of the F-Bomb...for the next several minutes...They need to know it's hands off....But he's in charge, and I will do all I can to muzzle myself...

Personally, I would simply say, "I understand." Then, after the call is over, forget everything he said.

[Nevadaref]

Better yet, post his email address on here and a few of us will send him our thoughts regarding his not supporting the officials for taking care of business.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Better yet, post his email address on here and a few of us will send him our thoughts regarding his not supporting the officials for taking care of business.

What you and Snaqwell said....Thanks!!! But I guess I will take the low road and pass...I appreciate the support!!!