OOB deception

[wizard]

Originally Posted by FBullock

We always hand the ball to the thrower-in with he/she between us and the basket to which they are going at mid-court (or any throw-in along a side line). This is basketball 101. Any team that doesn't know that.... oh well.

So, you're saying you don't ALWAYS point and indicate color?

I saw it happen in a girls jv game. A number of officials who are at that level don't do the "little things" correctly, thats one reason why they are still at that level. I will admit that i had to look up in the officials manual that you are asked to "Indicate color and direction, designate the throw-in spot, sound the whistle to alert players that play is about to begin...". I think this is important to know.

[mbyron]

We have a boys JV team around here that runs this play every time they have the ball after the half. They notify the officials and ask them to follow the proper procedure for in-bounding the ball: announce the color and direction, whistle, and put the ball at the thrower's disposal.

I've had one partner forget and try to turn 'em around.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by mbyron

We have a boys JV team around here that runs this play every time they have the ball after the half. They notify the officials and ask them to follow the proper procedure for in-bounding the ball: announce the color and direction, whistle, and put the ball at the thrower's disposal.

I've had one partner forget and try to turn 'em around.

That's interesting that they basically forewarn the official that they are going to be deceptive...anybody else have an ethics conflict with this? Something in my head is screaming "SPIRIT OF THE RULES"...I'm not saying you need to hold their hand and walk them down to the correct end, but if I saw this, I'm pretty sure I would blow my whistle to get everyone's attention and say "we're going THAT way"....if they still don't move then I suppose I've done all I can do...and too bad if the coach has a problem with it...

[wizard]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

That's interesting that they basically forewarn the official that they are going to be deceptive...anybody else have an ethics conflict with this? Something in my head is screaming "SPIRIT OF THE RULES"...I'm not saying you need to hold their hand and walk them down to the correct end, but if I saw this, I'm pretty sure I would blow my whistle to get everyone's attention and say "we're going THAT way"....if they still don't move then I suppose I've done all I can do...and too bad if the coach has a problem with it...

The way I read his post was they followed the rules. They made sure the officials did everything correctly but lined up the other way hoping that the defense would ignore the referee and go guard their man.

I had a kids team years ago who asked me NOT to point. I wasn't sure of exactly what the manual wanted you to do. But I told them that wasnt'd going to happen. I will say that I can say I CANNOT say that I have ALWAYS pointed and said the color.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by wizard

The way I read his post was they followed the rules. They made sure the officials did everything correctly but lined up the other way hoping that the defense would ignore the referee and go guard their man.

I had a kids team years ago who asked me NOT to point. I wasn't sure of exactly what the manual wanted you to do. But I told them that wasnt'd going to happen. I will say that I can say I CANNOT say that I have ALWAYS pointed and said the color.

I was referring more to MB's post about how they actually tell the officials what they are doing...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

anybody else have an ethics conflict with this?

No.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No.

Maybe I am crazy, but I could pass the red face test if the coach decided that he didn't like me ruining his plan...

[Raymond]

Usually I will be pointing in the correct direction as the teams leave the huddle.

Originally Posted by mbyron

I've had one partner forget and try to turn 'em around.

Was there a pinata involved?

[wizard]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Was there a pinata involved?

Or the Hokey Pokey?