Ruling

[ref2coach]

After the ball is provided to the free thrower just put up your delay signal. If the thrower misses call the violation. Coach or player asks, you answer, #11 violated, citing the number of the player you remember violated. 99% of time that's it. The only way you get further question is if the violator had been substituted. Then and only then would you have to have the more lengthly description of when the violation occurred.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Coach or player asks, you answer, #11 violated, citing the number of the player you remember violated. 99% of time that's it.
The only way you get further question is if the violator had been substituted.

"But he is not in the game."

"He is not on the line."

"He did not move."

"What are you talking about?"

"But he came into the lane."

"You did what in a one point game?"

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Then and only then would you have to have the more lengthly description of when the violation occurred.

I could see all kinds of reasoning for there being a debate or confrontation. Now this is not likely to happen, but if it does, do not be surprised what coaches come up with. If there is a discussion over a block/charge call, what kind of debate are we going to have over an obscure rule?

Peace

[Shades of Gray]

I don't post very much, but I read the board frequently and I notice that whenever you don't like a rule, it is an "obscure" rule. Is that the definition of obscure?

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by Shades of Gray

I don't post very much, but I read the board frequently and I notice that whenever you don't like a rule, it is an "obscure" rule. Is that the definition of obscure?

Only rules 1 through 10 are obscure to JRutledge.

[just another ref]

Another thing: So often, when you do call a lane violation, nobody knows who did it, or believes or admits it if you tell them they did it. In the case at hand, you call the violation, there's a good chance they wouldn't even know it took place before the timeout.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Shades of Gray

I don't post very much, but I read the board frequently and I notice that whenever you don't like a rule, it is an "obscure" rule. Is that the definition of obscure?

No, "obscure" is quite simple; it's a rule that you've never actually seen enforced.

Examples:
10 second free throw count
Goal tending on a free throw = Technical foul
Reaching across the plane during a throwin and fouling the thrower = intentional foul + warning
striking the ball with your fist
multiple foul

Most of these are never called because they hardly ever happen. Some (multiple fouls) happen occasionally but still never get called.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, "obscure" is quite simple; it's a rule that you've never actually seen enforced.

Examples:
10 second free throw count
Goal tending on a free throw = Technical foul
Reaching across the plane during a throwin and fouling the thrower = intentional foul + warning
striking the ball with your fist
multiple foul

Most of these are never called because they hardly ever happen. Some (multiple fouls) happen occasionally but still never get called.

I've seen this one called quite a few times over the years. I've never seen any of the others.

I don't think Shades of Gray was looking for a definition of obscure. I think he was taking a jab at Rut. I've seen that quite a few times, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I've seen this one called quite a few times over the years. I've never seen any of the others.

I don't think Shades of Gray was looking for a definition of obscure. I think he was taking a jab at Rut. I've seen that quite a few times, too.

I know what he was doing.

I've never seen it called. I might have had a partner call the fist thing once, but I don't know it might have been out of bounds as well.