LGP/Player Control

[rockyroad]

I know this topic has come up several times this winter, but last night was the first time I have ever seen this little off-shoot of it!

GV game. Pass tipped away and the race is on. A1 dives for ball and tips it farther away. B2 does the same. A4 and B4 are now racing each other to the ball. A4 gets there first (barely) and is picking up the ball as B4 dives in front of her. No contact on the dive, but now A4 is losing her balance, so she steps over B4 (straddles her) with her right leg, starts her dribble and steps over with her left leg. Official then blows the whistle and calls aPC foul on A4. There was absolutely no contact from either player!

In his brief explanation to the coach, the official claimed that B4 had LGP and you can't "go over" (his exact words) a player who has LGP.

One of the weirdest (and dumbest) calls I have ever seen. And it was A4's fifth foul.

[Adam]

Ouch!

[eyezen]

Wow, just wow!!!

[shishstripes]

How can you have a contact-type of foul without contact? Why do people make up stuff like this (rhetorical question)? So if A1 is legally guarded by B1 and A1 steps over B1's foot that's PC? This is taking verticality to a whole new level.

[OHBBREF]

Rock -
did the crew talk about this call at all before the game proceeded?
This is one of those that it might have been a good idea to get together on and strighten this guy out - becauseyou just kicked a rule - (90 yard field goal attempt is up and it is good) - this is the stuff that assignors look at for moving up, and when giving those "BIG" games out, assigning the R.

this ais a big old WOW for the calling official and the crew.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Rock -
did the crew talk about this call at all before the game proceeded?
This is one of those that it might have been a good idea to get together on and strighten this guy out - becauseyou just kicked a rule - (90 yard field goal attempt is up and it is good) - this is the stuff that assignors look at for moving up, and when giving those "BIG" games out, assigning the R.

this ais a big old WOW for the calling official and the crew.

Do you run all your calls by your partners to make sure you all agree on the rule application?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Rock -
did the crew talk about this call at all before the game proceeded?
This is one of those that it might have been a good idea to get together on and strighten this guy out - becauseyou just kicked a rule - (90 yard field goal attempt is up and it is good) - this is the stuff that assignors look at for moving up, and when giving those "BIG" games out, assigning the R.

this ais a big old WOW for the calling official and the crew.

Nope. No discussion on the court. As the boys teams were warming up, one of the officials stuck his head out of the locker room and asked me to come and talk with them about it. He still wouldn't admit he was wrong and swore up and down that in that particular play, you didn't need contact to call a foul as it was "unsporting conduct to step over a player like that. It showed her up." Sigh...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I know this topic has come up several times this winter, but last night was the first time I have ever seen this little off-shoot of it!

GV game. Pass tipped away and the race is on. A1 dives for ball and tips it farther away. B2 does the same. A4 and B4 are now racing each other to the ball. A4 gets there first (barely) and is picking up the ball as B4 dives in front of her. No contact on the dive, but now A4 is losing her balance, so she steps over B4 (straddles her) with her right leg, starts her dribble and steps over with her left leg. Official then blows the whistle and calls aPC foul on A4. There was absolutely no contact from either player!

In his brief explanation to the coach, the official claimed that B4 had LGP and you can't "go over" (his exact words) a player who has LGP.

One of the weirdest (and dumbest) calls I have ever seen. And it was A4's fifth foul.

rockyroad:

Everybody knows my position that if an official would call a charge on 100% of the bang-bang block/charge plays, the official would be correct at least 95% of the time.

But this is not a bang-bang block/charge play. This is a BLOCK, if and only if there WAS contact, BUT since there was no contact there can be NO foul.

Remember, what is the first requirement of obtaining (NFHS)/establishing (NCAA/FIBA) a LGP: Two (feet) the floor facing the offensive player.


Having said that, one could possibly present a credible case that B4 set a legal screen against A4.

BUT: since there was NO contact that can be NO foul.

MTD, Sr.