substitutes Continually Pulled Back From Table

[David M]

Boys V game last night. Coach would have substitutes ready at the table but at the next clock stopped dead ball he would pull them back to the bench. This went on until my partner warned him the next time would be a T. He did not do it after the warning. I don't think by rule we could have issued a T for this. Thoughts/comments?

[deecee]

I would just issue a delay of game warning here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I would just issue a delay of game warning here.

For what? You can't just make stuff up on this.
There's nothing you can do.

[chartrusepengui]

depends - if the horn is continually sounding at the D ball - and then he pulls them back - and this keeps reoccurring - then you might construe it as making a travesty of the game in which case you could T. Notice I didn't say "should" before attacking this. If the table is not sounding the horn and players are pulled back quietly and game continues at normal pace - I got nothin.

[Adam]

If it was a continuous nuisance, it fits the unsportsmanlike behavior model, IMO; but it would have to be frequent before I'd do anything. If you do anything, do as the OP's partner did; warn first. Just don't think it's a D.O.G. warning because it's not.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If it was a continuous nuisance, it fits the unsportsmanlike behavior model, IMO; but it would have to be frequent before I'd do anything. If you do anything, do as the OP's partner did; warn first. Just don't think it's a D.O.G. warning because it's not.

It would take more than just frequent to get me to address this sitch. If a coach wants to over-coach, that is his business. As Snaq indicated concerning the DOG, there is no rules basis to address this other than unsportsmanlike behavior. A coach would have to do more than change his mind frequently for me to consider it unsportsmanlike.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by David M

Boys V game last night. Coach would have substitutes ready at the table but at the next clock stopped dead ball he would pull them back to the bench. This went on until my partner warned him the next time would be a T. He did not do it after the warning. I don't think by rule we could have issued a T for this. Thoughts/comments?

I would let it happen only about 3 times in a row, then give a warning for making a travesty of the game. The warning makes it clear that although we don't know what is in his mind, and therefore can't prove intent, we are clarifying what our interpretation is of the actions that he's committing.

There's no rules basis for one of those regular delays of game here.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I would let it happen only about 3 times in a row, then give a warning for making a travesty of the game. The warning makes it clear that although we don't know what is in his mind, and therefore can't prove intent, we are clarifying what our interpretation is of the actions that he's committing.

There's no rules basis for one of those regular delays of game here.

I would just be an a$$ and when the coach really wanted a sub to come in I would put the ball in play really fast.

[ace]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would just be an a$$ and when the coach really wanted a sub to come in I would put the ball in play really fast.

I tend to like this method other than what the ensuing conversation might be like.

"hey i had a sub there!"
"oh i'm sorry coach, I thought u were going to pull him back as well, we'll get him next time!"

hopefully he'll get the point.

[Bishopcolle]

If the coach has pulled them back, then they aren't officially at the table, and thus not allowed to enter....If they enter from the bench, without reporting, then you have a T situation.....Right?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

If one reads the NFHS Basketball Handbook, which has been published for over fifty (50) years, there is an obscure passage has this play situation (and I am paraphrasing here):

PLAY: A1 has reported to the Scorer. At the next the opportunity for a substitute to enter the covering official beckons A1 into the game; A1 ignores the offical and does not leave his position in front of the Scorer's/Timer's Table. RULING: This is a technical foul charge to A1 delay of game.

I do not agree with this ruling because I do not believe it fits the definition in Rule 10 for a delay of game by a player. I believe the best way to handle this situation is to ask beckon once and then put the ball into play and make A1 wait until the next opportunity to substitute.

How does this play and its questionable ruling apply to this situation? I am not sure, but I feel that if the coach pulls the substitute back, put the ball into play and get the game going.

MTD, Sr.