Last night I set a pick & call a "T"

[deecee]

On the 1 finger salute to the fans, especially at this level, would anyone eject the player?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

On the 1 finger salute to the fans, especially at this level, would anyone eject the player?

I've only had it once, and it was a player who'd already been DQ'd for fighting.

[Man In Blue]

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

What's there to jump on -- your bad judgement(if its to not discipline at all -- if its for flagrant or not then I agree with you)? A player flipping the bird to the stands, at the least, deserves a technical whether or not the coach IS going to handle anything.

If a coach is going to discipline his players has no bearing on the job you have to do. And any coach worth his weight in Ford or GM stock will not give you any grief over this T.

I personally wouldnt kick a player out, and it happend in a GV game of mine last year, I t'd her up and told the coach. He promptly sat her the rest of the game. But I was completly shocked that it happened, and literally 2 feet away from me and during live ball action. It took me about 3 seconds just to register it because it was so close.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

What's there to jump on -- your bad judgement? A player flipping the bird to the stands, at the least, deserves a technical whether or not the coach IS going to handle anything.

Sounded to me that the question was flagrant or non-flagrant. Doubtful I'd call this flagrant, but I'd have to see it before deciding.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Sounded to me that the question was flagrant or non-flagrant. Doubtful I'd call this flagrant, but I'd have to see it before deciding.

Here, so now you know what we are talking about.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

This is a poor case of Sportmanship........

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

This is a poor case of Sportmanship........

Right, but the judgment is whether it's flagrant or not, IMO.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right, but the judgment is whether it's flagrant or not, IMO.

Considering most of us seem to not have seen this could it not fall into the area of extreme. Also it does seem vulgar.

I realize it's a HTBT but HS gym on a friday night, kid drops a bird that the whole gym sees....I'm thinking flagrant....unless I can be convinced otherwise.

[OHBBREF]

if the player fliped you the single finger salute - would you consider that Flagrant? I would!

Then why is there a big question about flipping off the crowd?

[deecee]

if a player shoves an opponent during a dead ball, or he shoves you the official?

2 different outcomes. If there was no escalation after the shove of the player, just an unsporting T. For shoving me the good ol heave ho.

same action different consequence.

[cardinalfan]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

if the player fliped you the single finger salute - would you consider that Flagrant? I would!

Then why is there a big question about flipping off the crowd?

Depends on whether the player is flipping off someone in the crowd who has been on me all night!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

He must think he's the Messiah.

[cmar]

what about this situation. let's say you have a HS V game. the fans are getting on the opposing team, maybe nothing so egregious that it's immediately considered unacceptable to all involved (i know AD's try to keep crowd control, and it's subject to what each person thinks is an acceptable cheer, but let's say they're doing some namecalling, maybe swear word thrown in there here and there. they're getting on the players, doing what student sections do. eventually one of the opposing players gets tired of it, because they have been giving him crap, nothing you would automatically think to eject a specator for, but its been coming consistantly a and throws a quick finger to the student section. do you T the player for the finger? do you T the crowd for unsportsmanship for baiting the player into giving the T? do you T both teams and warn that any players/spectators doing anything suspect from this point on will be immediately ejected?

[DonInKansas]

Yes, I T the player giving the finger. I can't control the fans, but whatever happens on the court I have to control.

That's like saying you don't eject the player who fights back after getting hit. Self defense or no, you gotta go.