Last night I set a pick & call a "T"

[Terrapins Fan]

I have been having a great season to date. This is my 9th year and I feel like I am on top of my game.

Tonight I have a boys JV game. ( I have done about 30 varsity games and 4 JV games ) 2 man mechanics are different from 3 man and I mess those up on time outs and between quarters, but over all, had a good night.

In the 3rd quarter I had to "T" up a player. I am lead and he is above the Free Throw line facing away from me. I am watching low post play and I hear him yell " Get the "F Bomb" off of me!" BANG "T" This is my 2nd "T" of the year. Last year I was at about 15 by this time in the season.

Earlier the same player gave the crowd the finger ( both officials missed it but the crowd told us about it )

Later in the 3rd quarter, I am working the trail position while they are working the weave and I was near mid court when the ball was stolen and the defensive player ran into me and it was a perfect pick for the steal.

Not much I could do, I needed to move with them working the weave side to side.

2/3's done, 30 days left. the seasons are just too short.

[JugglingReferee]

Good call on the T. Too bad you missed the crowd salute; the players then would have been sittin' after the T that you did call.

[deecee]

On the 1 finger salute to the fans, especially at this level, would anyone eject the player?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

On the 1 finger salute to the fans, especially at this level, would anyone eject the player?

I've only had it once, and it was a player who'd already been DQ'd for fighting.

[Man In Blue]

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

What's there to jump on -- your bad judgement(if its to not discipline at all -- if its for flagrant or not then I agree with you)? A player flipping the bird to the stands, at the least, deserves a technical whether or not the coach IS going to handle anything.

If a coach is going to discipline his players has no bearing on the job you have to do. And any coach worth his weight in Ford or GM stock will not give you any grief over this T.

I personally wouldnt kick a player out, and it happend in a GV game of mine last year, I t'd her up and told the coach. He promptly sat her the rest of the game. But I was completly shocked that it happened, and literally 2 feet away from me and during live ball action. It took me about 3 seconds just to register it because it was so close.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

What's there to jump on -- your bad judgement? A player flipping the bird to the stands, at the least, deserves a technical whether or not the coach IS going to handle anything.

Sounded to me that the question was flagrant or non-flagrant. Doubtful I'd call this flagrant, but I'd have to see it before deciding.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Sounded to me that the question was flagrant or non-flagrant. Doubtful I'd call this flagrant, but I'd have to see it before deciding.

Here, so now you know what we are talking about.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

Depends if I thought the coach would handel it so I didn't have to.

I know most of the coaches and their styles. Most would only allow the wave 1 time.

Before you jump on me- remember this is a judgment call!

This is a poor case of Sportmanship........

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

This is a poor case of Sportmanship........

Right, but the judgment is whether it's flagrant or not, IMO.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right, but the judgment is whether it's flagrant or not, IMO.

Considering most of us seem to not have seen this could it not fall into the area of extreme. Also it does seem vulgar.

I realize it's a HTBT but HS gym on a friday night, kid drops a bird that the whole gym sees....I'm thinking flagrant....unless I can be convinced otherwise.

[OHBBREF]

if the player fliped you the single finger salute - would you consider that Flagrant? I would!

Then why is there a big question about flipping off the crowd?

[deecee]

if a player shoves an opponent during a dead ball, or he shoves you the official?

2 different outcomes. If there was no escalation after the shove of the player, just an unsporting T. For shoving me the good ol heave ho.

same action different consequence.

[cdoug]

Speaking of Ts...I had a situation the other night that made me think.

I was across the court and wasn't sure if it came from fans behind V bench or a player (on the bench) so I felt that I couldn't do anything about it. Someone said the F-word in relation to a no call in my P's primary. If I hear it and know it's from the bench but don't know who said it can I just call a "generic" bench T? (No books with me at work.) If not, how do you handle that situation?

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by cdoug

Speaking of Ts...I had a situation the other night that made me think.

I was across the court and wasn't sure if it came from fans behind V bench or a player (on the bench) so I felt that I couldn't do anything about it. Someone said the F-word in relation to a no call in my P's primary. If I hear it and know it's from the bench but don't know who said it can I just call a "generic" bench T? (No books with me at work.) If not, how do you handle that situation?

You absolutely could, but I would ask how loud it was? If you were the only one that heard it, maybe go to the coach and say, "I heard F*&k from your bench. I'm not sure which player it was, but could you please address this so I don't have to?" Since you don't have definite knowledge of what player said it, this may be a better route to take.