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Originally Posted by sseltser

I believe he called a block on 30 because at the very end (last few frames) he starts to put his hands up in closed fists to emphasize the blocking foul. Of course, this is just a guess.

I see what you're saying, but one thing I wonder, why he didn't do the score the basket "chop" when he called the foul? That would have cleared up it was a defensive foul for me at first, but he just held his fist up and then went off to report. If I were observing, I'd be puzzled till his report what it was.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Anderson, SC isn't that the home of Radio?

It is.

Radio still travels with the TL Hanna High School sports teams. I got to meet him last year before one of their games. It is commonly known as an official here that when you have TL Hanna one of your pregame duties is to go shake hands with Radio.

[JugglingReferee]

The more I watch this, the more I see that this is a horrible call. I'm surprised there's no indication of Coach B's disagreement.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Spence

Would anyone call a T on the player in white who bends down and appears to be talking smack to the defender?

As the lead official I definately would have whacked that kid for bending down and saying something. You could tell he came to his sences preety quick and got out of there. This play (block-charge) is 50-50 at best, and I think (hope) coaches realize that. We have the benefit of watching it over and over and seeing it clearly. That is not always the case on the floor, as I'm sure we are all aware. That said, this official certainly needed to do a few things differently. His partners should have been paying closer attention, after the inital whistle blew, to activiy going on. No rest for the wicked and thats us officials on the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

As the lead official I definately would have whacked that kid for bending down and saying something. You could tell he came to his sences preety quick and got out of there. This play (block-charge) is 50-50 at best, and I think (hope) coaches realize that. We have the benefit of watching it over and over and seeing it clearly. That is not always the case on the floor, as I'm sure we are all aware. That said, this official certainly needed to do a few things differently. His partners should have been paying closer attention, after the inital whistle blew, to activiy going on. No rest for the wicked and thats us officials on the court.

I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a 50-50 play. My first viewing told me it was an easy charge; replay only confirmed it. The defender had roots.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a 50-50 play. My first viewing told me it was an easy charge; replay only confirmed it. The defender had roots.

It looks like the shooter's leg hit the defender in the left shoulder. Is the shoulder part of the torso?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

I see what you're saying, but one thing I wonder, why he didn't do the score the basket "chop" when he called the foul? That would have cleared up it was a defensive foul for me at first, but he just held his fist up and then went off to report. If I were observing, I'd be puzzled till his report what it was.

Yep, and this fact probably helped wipe out a taunting T, as alluded to earlier. First inclination was to roast L for not closing down and seeing the in-your-face (albeit quick) move of A2. But then again, he had to study his partner who wasn't telling secrets (throughout the whole clip).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

It looks like the shooter's leg hit the defender in the left shoulder. Is the shoulder part of the torso?

The torso is a rule of thumb only, not the rule, and really only helps with a moving defender. In this case, it was the shooter's right leg that essentially stepped on the defender's left shoulder, and the defender was in his spot and not moving.

I could possibly see judging this a no-call, but a block is just the wrong call.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The torso is a rule of thumb only, not the rule, and really only helps with a moving defender. In this case, it was the shooter's right leg that essentially stepped on the defender's left shoulder, and the defender was in his spot and not moving.

I could possibly see judging this a no-call, but a block is just the wrong call.

Exaclty what I said in my first post in this thread. A block should not even be a possibility when the defender has roots like this guy did.

[APG]

On first view, I thought it was an easy PC call. After viewing it again to see if I missed anything, I'd still go with PC.

[Smitty]

Plus they are lining up for the free throw on the offensive end, so it had to be a block call. Looks like PC to me. What a leaper, though - he almost kicks the defender in the face!

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by referee99

For newer officials...

This is a good play to practice your mechanics on.
A) You have contact by 32 Black (the smaller 1st defender)
B) You have a block by 30 Black
C) You have a player control foul on 23? White

If you had this YouTube moment, how would you want your mechanics to be?

Please, do a better job than this official did of communicating what you have. Think it through all the way, and practice it in a big enough space.

I'm a big proponent of newer officials working their mechanics in the mirror, but also of working through the mechanics of certain plays in the mirror. This is a good one, because there are a few different scenarios to practice. Give it a try.

Ref 99...new ref here...great tip. esp. the point you made about "working through the mechanics of certain plays"..all too often I find myself just practiving one sigle mechanic...not the entire sequence of hand signals you would use in making a call for a foul or a violation.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The torso is a rule of thumb only, not the rule, and really only helps with a moving defender. In this case, it was the shooter's right leg that essentially stepped on the defender's left shoulder, and the defender was in his spot and not moving.

I could possibly see judging this a no-call, but a block is just the wrong call.

The ONLY thing that is even close is whether the defender had established his position before the shooter left the ground since there is significant hang time here...watching it on video it is pretty clear to me that this is PC, but real time, floor level angle....who am I kidding they blew this one, been there!

[deecee]

What I got is an official who doesn't know wtf he is doing (and at the college level). Judgement is one thing (and I dont think his is good) but his mechanics are non existent. How is his partner supposed to know what is going on. Also a call like that can have some kind of emotion to sell it as it is close and could potentially (not in this case) go either way.

And the whole time the only way I knew it was a block and a shooting foul was because the players were lining up.

[JRutledge]

I got nothing. Neither player was displaced by the contact and the defender seemed to flop in my opinion.

I think there was no signal because it looked like the Center was looking to make sure his partner did not have a whistle. I do not see this as a big deal. None of us are perfect.