coach addressing ref by first name

[MCJB Ump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And frankly, I take less in middle school than in high school. Ask him much sooner what his question is.

The lower the age group the worse the coaches are in regards to chirping about calls.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MCJB Ump

The lower the age group the worse the coaches are in regards to chirping about calls.

Which is why you nip it early and stop it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The problem is NOT the coach calling you by your first name. That's completely irrelevant to your problem.The problem is that you are taking way too much crap from that particular coach. And it being "middle school" or him being a supposed "long time friend" has got nuthin' to do with it either.

You do NOT let coaches constantly complain about calls or make derogatory comments like this jerk did to you. Ever!

You've got two choices. (1) Grow some balls and take care of bidness. Warn once and whack.(2) Continue letting this goof treat you like his personal whipping boy, as detailed in your post above. If you choose #2, then you deserve everything that you get...and you should quit whining about it.

Sorry...but there it is.

Gawd, I missed your tough love! Glad you're back.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I worked with a guy whose last name is Cheeseman. When his wife was pregnant, I told him that if it was a boy, they should name the kid "Hammond". He didn't get it.

When I worked in MiLB, the Helena Brewers wanted to change their name and had a contest. I submitted "Handbaskets."



......I didn't win.

[beachbum]

I was talking to my assignor. he actually thought that it's best if the partner takes control of the situation. then it doesn't look like the official being targeted has a vendetta.

So, coach starts yelling about one officials call's and maybe using the first name...partner say's....."whack" your on the bench, don't talk about my partner like that.

[Texas Aggie]

I have several coaches address me by my first name. I don't have any problem with it. If they know me that well, they know using my name won't get them anything special.

Coaches are generally very good about remembering names.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by beachbum

Situation:

boys Midschool game Coach for team A is long time friend.

You definitely need a higher class of friends.

[deecee]

Its not a big deal. Calling me by my first name doesn't grant them any special privledges, and if the opposing coach thinks otherwise then who cares. We certainly dont care to much about coaches opinions about our calls and the job we have to do, why should we start thinking different here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by beachbum

I was talking to my assignor. he actually thought that it's best if the partner takes control of the situation. then it doesn't look like the official being targeted has a vendetta.

So, coach starts yelling about one officials call's and maybe using the first name...partner say's....."whack" your on the bench, don't talk about my partner like that.

And I disagree completely with your assignor too. Doing it that way makes you look like you don't have the testicular fortitude to make the call. The only time your partner should be handing out "T"s for you is if you were out of the hearing range when the coach made a derogatory comment. It's your responsibility to make sure that the game is played in at least a half-azzed sporting manner. You can't slough that responsibility off on your partner.

You're overthinking the hell out of this situation imo. Never worry about vendettas, what anyone else thinks, how much time is left in the game, etc., etc. when you make any call. If someone makes an unsporting, profane, derogatory, etc. comment to you, just call the damn technical foul without bothering to consult with Dr. Phil about it. Call 'em consistently and evenly against both teams for the entire game too. And after you've called it, don't worry about it. Let the players and coaches adjust to your standards. They will.

Everybody has their own idea of what is or isn't a technical foul. And everybody sets their own guideline of when they should call the "T". There's nothing really the matter with that...as long as you are consistent with all players and coaches. Just remember though, you don't get the right to b!tch about a player or coach's behavior if your guidelines allowed that coach or player to act the way you are b!tching about.

JMO.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Everybody has their own idea of what is or isn't a technical foul. And everybody sets their own guideline of when they should call the "T". There's nothing really the matter with that...as long as you are consistent with all players and coaches. Just remember though, you don't get the right to b!tch about a player or coach's behavior if your guidelines allowed that coach or player to act the way you are b!tching about.

JMO.

That is absolutely dead on.

[bigdogrunnin]

Does it really matter if a coach uses your first name if s/he is respectful and professional?? My answer is no.

I officiate in dozens of gyms every season, and have about 75+ different coaches that I see on a yearly basis, and most I see year-after-year over the course of several years. If they want to call me by first name, then rock on.

Now, if a visiting coach asks me why he is calling me by my first name, then I introduce myself, and say, "coach, if you want to use my first name too, then you can. Just not in vain."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Does it really matter if a coach uses your first name if s/he is respectful and professional?? My answer is no.

I officiate in dozens of gyms every season, and have about 75+ different coaches that I see on a yearly basis, and most I see year-after-year over the course of several years. If they want to call me by first name, then rock on.

Now, if a visiting coach asks me why he is calling me by my first name, then I introduce myself, and say, "coach, if you want to use my first name too, then you can. Just not in vain."

Coaches around here don't care what an official's name is, at least not mine.

[Kelvin green]

Here is my question

when you introduce yourselves to the coach what do you say I'm Mr Green or I'm Kelvin? (your names of course) We intorduce ourselves by full name or by first name..

Its not the name that matters it is how they use it... If you have reffed for coaches a lot, you know their names too..

I have no problem (if they arent being idiots and disrespectful) to say things like

Hey Kelvin watch the illegal screen next time down, or Kelvin give me a timeout... Its where they are being dinks and I dont care if they call be by first name or Mr President they wont get away with the garbage stuff.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Here is my question

when you introduce yourselves to the coach what do you say I'm Mr Green or I'm Kelvin? (your names of course) We intorduce ourselves by full name or by first name..

Its not the name that matters it is how they use it... If you have reffed for coaches a lot, you know their names too..

I have no problem (if they arent being idiots and disrespectful) to say things like

Hey Kelvin watch the illegal screen next time down, or Kelvin give me a timeout... Its where they are being dinks and I dont care if they call be by first name or Mr President they wont get away with the garbage stuff.

Yep.

Peace

[HawkeyeCubP]

From my limited college experience, I've found that about half of the coaches prefer to use first names of the officials. I don't have a problem with it, but like many others here, I always refer to them as "coach" in return. I'm actually impressed when they can remember the first names of their three officials for that night - although seeing long-time veterans over the course of a regional coaching career makes it easier, I'm sure.

Half the time I can't even remember who the visiting team is going to be before I walk onto the court, or what the final score was as soon as I leave the confines.

And not to make any uninformed personal judgments or anything, but your long-time friend's an a$$.