Late Game Fouling

[w_sohl]

If it would be intentional in the first qtr, it is in the 4th.

Sounds like I might call this intentional (whiffed on the steal attempt/foul attempt with his left hand and then in the same motion grabbed the dribbler's jersey with his right hand), but you probably HTBT.

A bear hug is almost always an intentional... (I just don't want to say always)

[co2ice]

It sounds cliche but if the defender is making a play for the ball I usually call it a personal foul, just grabbing the jersey as the dribbler beats them, would constitute an intentional.

[Nevadaref]

2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
#4
Intentional Fouls. The committee continues to be concerned about how games end. While there has been some improvement in the application of the rule, there is still need for further understanding and enforcement. An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position. Contact away from the ball or when not making a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting, shall be intentional. Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.

Fouling is an accepted coaching strategy late in the game. There is a right way and a wrong way to foul. Coaches must instruct their players in the proper technique for strategic fouling. "Going for the ball" is a common phrase heard, but intentional fouls should still be called on players who go for the ball if it is not done properly.

Additionally, in throw-in situations, fouling a player that is not involved in the play in any way (setting a screen, attempting to receive the in-bound pass, etc. ) must be deemed intentional. Far too often, officials do not call fouls as intentional when the act clearly meets the criteria.

[msduckland]

Yeah you gotta be solid with your calls

[muxbule]

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

I have on occasion gone by a bench and told a coach to watch his fouling (They know what I mean. Not sure the kids do). But, only at the Rec League level.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

Nope, not my job to coach the teams.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

I will frequently (50% of the games in which such a situation occurs) remind them to "keep making basketball plays."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, not my job to coach the teams.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I will frequently (50% of the games in which such a situation occurs) remind them to "keep making basketball plays."

That's a great phrase bob; consider it stolen.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by msduckland

Yeah you gotta be solid with your calls

This is really helpful.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This is really helpful.

Call it both ways.

It's 8 to 2. EIGHT! to TWO!

[OHBBREF]

M&M
I think what you're saying is correct - too many people mistake first foul for first contact.
You ahve to make the contact be foul, if not you are doing a disservice to the team with the ball. They are trying to move the ball quickly to avoid being fouled and keep the clock running. If you just blow the whistle on some little contact you are penalizing them for doing the right thing just as you are giving an advantage to the team fouling if you do not make them foul.
No body said let them kill each other but make them foul the palyer and if they do it too hard call it the way it needs to be called. call what you have been calling all game - just be quick about it!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

M&M
I think what you're saying is correct - too many people mistake first foul for first contact.
You ahve to make the contact be foul, if not you are doing a disservice to the team with the ball. They are trying to move the ball quickly to avoid being fouled and keep the clock running. If you just blow the whistle on some little contact you are penalizing them for doing the right thing just as you are giving an advantage to the team fouling if you do not make them foul.
No body said let them kill each other but make them foul the palyer and if they do it too hard call it the way it needs to be called. call what you have been calling all game - just be quick about it!

The reality here would be that the defense starts to increase the intensity of the fouls. Now you have an increased chance for an intentional and/or flagrant. What has been told to me by officials from the HS to D1 to NBA level is that in these situation err on the side of caution. Because what I have seen happen is perfectly good officials judgment called into questions because they followed advice that was similar to what is being said in this thread. If it is remotley close that a team is playing keep away and the other team is trying to foul, contact by the team trying to foul, especially on the ball handler, will be called quickly. Even moreso if the defense warns me that they will be going for a foul. However if the team playing keep away is getting the ball out of their hands quick enough then the contact is either incidental or intentional or flagrant, but not common.